EP 110: Parenting, Business & life updates, with Meg & Jacob

"I refuse to f*** with any of those stories."

This episode is a wake-up call. 

We’re ditching outdated expectations and talking about what it really means to step into your power as a woman, a mother, an entrepreneur. 

No fluff, no filters—just the raw, unfiltered truth about balancing ambition, identity, and sensuality without losing yourself in the process. 

If you've ever felt torn between who you are and who the world expects you to be, this conversation is for you.

🔥 Here’s what we get into:

• Why “having it all” is a lie (and what you should focus on instead)
• The identity shift of stepping into motherhood & leadership
• How to reconnect with your sensuality (even when life feels chaotic)
• The silent ways pregnancy & birth reshape pleasure and desire
• What true success looks like—without sacrificing your body or soul
• The power of owning your truth, no matter who it makes uncomfortable

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Transcript

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I feel the best of every fucking felt. It's because I refuse to fuck with any of those stories. I refuse to do my pregnancy. I refuse to be my boss. I refuse any manhood in our relationship like I've consciously allowed myself to go. My work feeds me. I want to go and be fed by my work. You know? I'm also blessed and have intentionally created work where my work looks like me and my office and my baby in the next room, and me coming out to play with him and hugging and kissing him, feed him and then go back inside a little bit like that's what my response looks like. You know, and but but this is the reason, like me feeding all of these parts of me and then our relationship, like you consciously really knowing that, you know, my mother to feel fed in my motherhood is actually all these other pieces feeding all these other pieces that then filter into my mothering. And then when I'm feeling fed as a mother that feeds all these other pieces, too. And right now it's like my mothering, the fact that I've given birth and become mother has electrified my fucking work. Yo, yo yo. Lovers. Welcome, welcome. Welcome to sex, love and everything in between. Where the O'Neals. You're here with Meg and Jacob. And this is the place we have really uncensored conversations about sex, intimacy, and relationships. We're super excited you're here. Enjoy this episode. Hey, lovers. Hey, lovelies. Hey, I love it. Hey, how you doing? I'm great. I feel so good. And I'm really excited to you doing this because I don't think we've done a podcast together, so maybe two months, maybe. Love the shirt, by the way. Thank you. Having so many beautiful women, which I resisted for six months and you have gone in hard. Really? I think you, like, really embraced it. Yeah. Like the guy from the show, this Austin Jacob. I actually joked with a friend today. And friend Susie who? This is her get up. Anyway, she walks the machine and she looks like a man, but she's not a mom yet. And I know it was just a Gold Coast thing, but most moms here on the Gold Coast wear a cap. It's an I'm wearing my full spectrum and cap right now, which I've never probably for the last 15 years. I've never rocked the cap before. You do rocket there. I thank you. I'm wearing these tight like bell button brown pants and an oversize t bit the Gold Coast, and I was rocking my nuts, not Crocs. They're actually called corgis, and they're hot pink. And the clog is. Makes it okay. Like, if you wearing. I think it's okay. Yeah. And I tried out Crocs. I went to the store and I was super pregnant because I couldn't. It was challenging to lean down and like, do up shoes. So I was like, I just literally want Crocs and it is so fucking ugly. But I want them to walk to the creek. And then I went to the store, tried them. I was like, I can't do it, I can't do it. And then we were in our favorite Mexican and next door is a like a pharmacy. Yeah. And we're walking past the pharmacy and they have like knockoff versions of Crocs called please. And then what, like $30 or $39 or something. And I tried them on and you made me get them. And for some reason that was okay because it wasn't Crocs and I haven't spent and it just like a person it kind of made. Yeah. We we used that to justify the wear and no I just and then I left I bought like a neutral, cream colored pair in Waltham heaps at the end of pregnancy, heaps at the beginning of, you know, and then after the beach. And then I went back and bought a magenta color that bright pink, purple and, brother in law and sister or your sister, but my sister in law and brother in law moved close to us recently, and we're at the cafe the other day and Thomas said to me, oh, I like spotted you. Then I looked at the shoes and was like, that couldn't be make. So we kept walking. I guess I didn't think you were the other shoes yet. See you now. So yeah. Gold Coast mom uniform is a cap and oversize t usually bike shorts. Bike shorts. Yes. And Crocs. I I'm kind of there. I'm not quite like in the bike shorts and oversize t probably. Well, yes, I've got clogs instead of Crocs. And what's the tuck? No, I don't need that to just leave it fully upsized. But, Yeah, we're laughing, like, about what makes you mom on the Gold Coast? It's actually not birthing a baby. It's, It's the outfit. You have. Outfit? Exactly. I feel more of a mother now in the outfit than I do. Okay, baby. Yeah, but in general, how are you feeling? Nice. I'm feeling great on fire. I actually genuinely do. And I saw a few people this morning that when I hadn't seen since giving birth. And, I, you see India. Oh, yeah. And then, I saw and I didn't see and I saw a bunch of people and yet I, you know, it's just beautiful. I'm finding it really enjoyable to express how great I feel. And, I feel like sometimes it surprises me this, you know, six months into my motherhood already, but, And I think I'd love this to be a really big part of the conversation today around, Yeah. What it's looked like these last six months and how we integrating life in business and businesses and how that's feeling for us and how that's flowing. And, you know, everyone, you've run some really big events and facilitated trainings. And I just came out of a three day and that I held and you co facilitated part of. And I held a big like 80 women event last month. And we've been doing some things and I'm making some big moves and I'm feeling really nourished. How are you feeling. I'm actually really horny. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah well I'm not sorry, but you should be. Yeah. Just like we. That's actually something that's been quite life giving you probably the last few weeks, because the truth is we in terms of, like, if we're looking at sex from like a penetration perspective on the inside of even like any kind of genital orgasm kind of perspective, we haven't been having or experiencing a lot of that together. There's definitely been very intimate moments, definitely been, you know, some fun, playful things, you know, like sensual massage, like Coxsackie. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's there's been a bit that, and there's been beautiful like, you know, like intimate experiences together. I felt really connected to you in many moments. Totally. And like, physically connected in terms of just learning in just like resting into you and like, you know, but in terms of, like, actual physical sex, you know, in that small definition way, we had been really struggling to experience that together in, you know, whether that's because you were just flying a flight. And recently we feel like we've had a lot more of it. But we had beautiful love meeting. What day is it. Monday. Yes. And like I got to have an incredible orgasmic experience and I did not have an incredible an incredible orgasm. Yeah. And and so we've been and I actually like this I really love this when like I get this cancer. But then you hold the energy in your body for days because I love with such love the yearning you have for me. And I love, I don't give much away, I do, I, I love like your I love that, like, hot cock kind of energy that you bring. And I love feeling that. And I love feeling and wanting and you, you know, you just like, also in a way, you just, like, talk about wanting me or just, like, talk dirty to me or expressing that. Oh, my God, I love that. So so that's been it's now what day? Thursday. So yeah, I've lost count. Yes. I've gone blind in. I love that. And, I have an insomnia and I'm really struggling day. It actually I thought like, I don't know, like there's such strength down to like, the idea for me to agree on. I'm doing that. It's not working correctly. And I think this is like, I think we can become stoic as men and be like, yes, human retention. That's how we hold the field. And also it's like, I think there's like a there's a truth to like being in the end, being the desire and letting that be a part of the sex. I think that's been super fun. And then there's also like, you don't have to like, delay it or force yourself to not have what you want. And I think that's the place with with that we really playing really well and like it does. It creates these micro moments of like deep intimacy that I love and really love and me too. And I think just on that sex space, it's, when we had a cycle in here a few weeks ago, which I calling a cycling style, I yeah, I love the was an actual cycling when it actually hit you for about a week. We just had a wild few weeks for a while for like 5 or 6 days visiting. It has been for. Yeah, it was really full and we actually we came back and it was like for 4 or 5 days waiting for a cycle and waiting for a cycle, I do believe to be with it. But it was it has it had to go on a trip down to Sydney Burgess. To me I was like, yeah, I was just expecting that. And I know, like we know for category 4 or 5, consequences happens. But I was expecting to look out the window and like, you know, chairs be flying past and like see the visible. Don't be like like. Literally what a drama. But, Yeah. So but we had two days of, without electricity. You have a generator? I'm a man, so I have a generator. Masculine takeaway from this day. And therefore we have a generator. So we got to hook the fridge up and everything, but we didn't have service. No TV. Yeah. Do we have my inverter? We didn't have that. Yeah. So we just hope that we hope the coffee machine in the fridge up and charged. I think that's. Yeah, that's. Yeah. So it was beautiful for like, 48 hours to not have anything if we don't have service. We didn't have anything. It was so beautiful. And we had a really beautiful, intimate night when I went to sleep, which was. So they just holding each other and massaging and all these things, and, which led to, like, beautiful lovemaking and. Yeah, then the lovemaking we had earlier in the week, I don't know, it's just for me, it's just reminding me how much like the environment we can create and create an environment which makes sex and intimacy, more probably creates, less distraction and less less things trying to pull our attention away. Which I think is even more, you know, we both run big businesses and, like, are so fucking turned on by our mission. Sometimes when our babies are asleep, we want to be on mission. Yeah. Which is beautiful. And I think, when I was talking about how we. Yeah, both of us have businesses and, like, sometimes when she's asleep, it's not always, first thing to choose, sex. Sex. And just also realizing if, like, it's my desire to experience more of that old, man, how to create that and have that as a regular part of our life now as my parents, because, you know, there's the reality is at some soaps, Max, maybe 2.5 hours at night without, you know, being close to the boob. Yeah. He's a saint in saying during the day, you know, when he's in our bed and all these things and so, yeah, there's there's kind of like a strategy behind choosing that, too, I think to like the piece that I've really picked up on is that we get to like, sprinkle intimacy throughout the day, a week, and then when the, when the urge comes through for sex and the opportunity presents itself, we're not just, like, striking from a cold place. It's like we're not forcing. We got to create fire or create friction with their genitals. It's like very neat for like a BattleBots Eros of our of our of our, our sex life and like constantly in the dance of polarity, which then leads to when the opportunity presents itself. We're not just trying to force it. Yes. And I think that's why when I was talking before that, you know, we haven't had a lot of, like, penis in vagina sex since, you know, since she's been here. But I'm also very particular with how I bring that because also I felt very I, I felt very intimately connected to I feel like a relationship feels so connected. And there is I don't feel a lack of, I don't feel less connected to you because of that. Right. I'm glad it's that sensation of having love inside of me. I love that experience together. Yeah. And again, it's like sex is, like, so much wider and deeper and bigger than that. So we're having experiences that I would call sex but aren't necessarily, you know, your cooking, your cooking, your cock in my pussy. And I would also like your cock in my pussy unrelatable. Amen to that, sister. And I think. Yeah. What something about working out is that morning, like, oh, she likes a little bit of sleeping. So what? Like when you walked into the bedroom the other day? Can I continue? You going to anywhere? Yeah. I love that you can send you around in the universe at night. You. Do you want to tell the story? So go ahead. Oh, it's just I woke up to you. Like, I rolled over and I was still sleeping. Lessons, you know, sleep behind me and, you know, just like hot cock was in my face. And I was just like, oh, my God, I love that. And I it's just like so many, many. It is so exciting that you you were choosing that and you wanted me not. And like that was how you choose to spend the morning with me. And so that was really beautiful and I. Yeah, I think it's like consciously choosing that like okay, cool. Like I want it. How can I engage with this? And like, even if you weren't ready, it's like, cool, that's still feeding the fire you like. Well those are and I like. And then we got a little I think we did and I think we, I think we did cuddle. I think it was a very slow burn anyway. But, Shane's awake and Shane's away. She. I'm gonna keep talking about this, cuz I think it's an important piece. Yeah, yeah. And we're gonna see how we flame. I love the smell. As soon as a leak. Yeah. So I just spent, like. Grace. I think this is how I've been working with our sex life and our intimacy since becoming parents. It's like offering our relationship grace, not putting pressure on releasing any story about how often we should be having sex for. Not like, very static black and white view of, like, sex equals penis. And just allowing that like, you know, one, I think one of the biggest reasons why we have sex is to feel intimately connected to each other. Would you agree? Definitely. It's about connection for us. I would argue that the reason we don't just have pain, very sex, like the friction based sex, is that we do. For us, it's a connection piece. It's not actually about just getting a, a feeling of relief or an orgasm or ejaculating, because that's just another to I guess for me, that would just be like a regulation of, like my energy. It's like I just need a I just needed a release. It's like, no, actually want connection. And I want to experience depth. And neither of us in sex gets to be that. Yeah. And neither of us ask that of each other. I would never want you to just lick my pussy, because I would want you to be fully fucking that doing that. Yes, and I think both of us have a level of attunement when we can feel that and neither of us say, yes, well, we don't really mean fuck yes when we can't be fully embodied in the experience and in the same when I, suck your cock, I. Yeah. So finding like, just to be with you as an a six month thing is on Jacob's ladder right now that we've both been in conversation lately of, like, when can we stop saying things like this in front of him? Yeah, when we just code words. Yeah. When, when does that become. And we're I'm very comfortable saying it in front of him right now. But yeah. Like when, when this, that we've just been playing and being like, when do we have to stop talking dirty in, in our home to each other overtly. Yeah. When does that have to be covered and and, subtle. Yeah. And subtle. No. Yeah. I would also say in the way that we bring our desires to our relationship, there's a really beautiful way of like framing it, I think as like, hey, I really feel like you need to suck my cock. Today. I had a I think my pussy needs leaking today. It's like, I feel like you need to the pussy. Pretty soon I can feel it. That's something that needs to happen for our relationship and we can frame these things. It doesn't put our partner on the spot. It also, like, builds the energy, like, places some wood on the fire. And that's what I think we're both quite good at, is like bringing that desire. And I can tell, like when we are busy in our work and when we are turned on by life and what we're creating, like our sex can, can actually be a part of that, and our sex can actually feed that. Yes. And also have our parenthood gets to be fed by that as well. Like we get to enjoy our relationship alongside it and it gets to influence it and impact it in a positive way rather than a baby thing that we have to choose. Instead of it can be as well as totally, even though it might not be as frequent as we say we want, we can actually create the depth of experience within within the current frame of like, yes, we're parents, yes, we run businesses, but we also like to fuck. So we're going to do that as well. Appropriately. Yeah. And it's interesting like that beautiful thinking we had on Monday morning. Even though you didn't fully get us beautiful. That was missing one thing I, felt like that came off the back of me feeling so turned on and alive. So I'm cleaned and I feel like, you know, maybe you witnessing me not emerging, witnessing my aliveness as well. How do you like feeling? Like you really? Yeah. Wanted to claim me. Totally. And I think you turned on like you had created your own turn on, which meant that I didn't. I didn't feel responsible for it. I was I was drawn in by it. So quite often, you know, in the past you've had this dynamic where you turn me on like you have to turn me on if you want. It's like that. That is the least inviting or the least attractive thing to me is when someone says, I have to do something to get what I want. Yes, in that way. Which is like, oh, like now I want to feel drawn in by you as like, I want to fully, you know, get your feet and want to devour you, worship you. And through that, you're seeing you in your power and seeing your magic and seeing you turned on by your own creation. And it's like, oh, yeah, I want, I want that woman. Yes, I can you be okay on the on the mat? Yeah. And just a bunch of things and, you know, just seem straight downhill. So. Yeah, just. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Exactly. Parenting. Podcasting. Yeah. You witnessing it, right? Yeah. But yeah, I love that. And just that piece around, like. And this is the, you know, coming back to claimed and, and that that piece you just shared around, like, me not not pointing my finger. You, like, claim me? Ravish me, turn me on. You know, that was a huge dynamic or big dynamic that we had years ago. Of me outsourcing my time on to you and thinking I want to be claimed. I want to be vanished. I want I want you to, like, take the lead. But then after thinking that meant you. You like outsourcing my soul experience. Turn on. Pleasure to you. Yeah. And I mean, taking the lead does not mean that he takes responsibility for your turn off. Yes. And so, like like huge a huge piece that we really speak into reclaimed. And really the essence of that whole experience is okay, what brings you into the room is you want to reclaim the rubbish, but actually the man, your main, your future man has nothing to do with why you're truly fucking here. Because when you're truly fucking used to become a woman alive, and you are someone in a light and a self, a woman that has descended so deep into her body that she radiates aliveness, turn on, magnetism. You know, you're just alive in her ability to be able to bring her desire and just move through life in her soul spectrum. Like that. Is a woman available to be claimed? That is, a woman that evokes that energy, that claim that ravished man from a man and so many women struggle and they're exhausted by that, that process. So that dynamic in relationship where they know they want that, but they're really still in this, this energy of thinking that the way to get that is by pointing the finger at them and saying, change, be more masculine, bring more of your leadership, organize a day for us. And there's nothing wrong with any of those desires, but if you're doing or asking for that and you're not actually, on the process or in the journey of awakening the deep, primal feminine lifeforce within you, that like asking you to organize a day to do is just so surface level. It's not actually that he he can't go down and connect you to the deep, primal like love of the feminine within you. What's he claiming? He can't. Yeah, he can't unlock your radiance for you. That if he organizes a day for you, it might make you feel good. He might have you in a little bit of, like, genius for a little bit. But that's not actually going to awaken and be a sustainable way of moving through life, deeply anchored in your feminine essence and moving and offering that to your self first and foremost, but then into your partnership. Like that's a new job. Yeah, it starts with you. And that's what I love to that claim does like it. It awakens that. And then a woman can bring that texture of the woman. They bring you that texture of that woman ness to the relationship. And that is such a climbable. I, such a claim of whenever we go to the moon lagoon. Yeah, this is my space that's so, so climbable as well. And I think that's what you're talking about. Like, I want to do like, I felt like there was such a texture of women to claim the know house when you when you're turned on by your work, when you're turned on by what? Life is asking you to bring through and you're in relationship with that, I feel like I can then get to, like, claim the fullness of who you are, not just the expectation of being claimed for for the sake of not having to take responsibility for your own. Yes. I guess you can turn on your own experience of life if that's what you. That's some you. You know that. Okay. Just. You are making this work. You are carrying a sense if you're a parent or even if you're not a parent, please get a mirror on that or one of the knock off brands, because a lot of the greatest things in the world. Yeah, this one's called a cloud nine. We got to I think really not saying original, but we got a big one because, and, and I got this brand because it's in Forest Green and I wanted the green. I would have an entire floor like that. It feels like a stick rug company kind of thing. Yeah. And so not so good on babies roll on like. But yeah, toddlers and other things. I really wanna speak about because I think I've been getting this question a lot, like women, and people in our community watching watching us and also watching me, run an event like Full Spectrum Awareness Month with like over 80 women. And it was a live experience running a three day immersion, and asking questions around the can I do it while I'm, like, exclusively breastfeeding? How, you know, how did I do that weekend? So because of me, I'm, I'm starting a labor hire company for any women that want to run powerful, movements. And I'm going to be renting out of a man who can kind of hold the baby and all of the logistics. It's all about me is the definitely 19.99%. You know, I think it's got more to do with the way that we relate that allows. Yeah, it's the foundations that we relate through. Allow your dreams, your, your your manifestation of of what you want to bring through to actually just be available. So of course, and it's and that's the piece that I think a lot of, a lot of people miss. And if I had a whiteboard I draw up and a lot of people more experience intimacy, which is like, I feel connected to you, that people want to feel polarity, which is, attracted to you. But not a lot of people really practice the art of devotion, which is what is love asking of me in this moment? And that can that's when you have to throw the rulebook out. That's when you have to throw out. Well, who's whose turn is it anyway? Or I did this so therefore you have to do that or this is what makes sense from a logistical, financial, practical perspective. Because realistically, running all of the events that we've run, it's not really that practical, it's not really that logistical and financially that we're in a stage of a business where we're like expanding again. So for me, this is, this is not just about me being a really good husband or me being really helpful. This is more about the found out, like the foundational values that we have as part of our. I would have never really agreed on it. We've just embodied it is like that. We truly believe in what each of us are creating, and we see the value in supporting each other on the path of of leadership. Yeah. And maybe we like deepen that because these weren't conversations we really had leading into giving birth. I had no idea what my relationship with my business is going to look like. I actually and I this was a little conscious, but it was a little unconscious thought that I would go back into business and feeling so burdened by business and actually feel like I don't want my business anymore. And I want to just close everything down, and I don't want to do everything, any, anything anymore. Like, I thought there was going to be a huge part of me that was just like, I just want to be mother. I don't want to be anything else I don't like. It just feels like a burden. And then has. So, you know, we we didn't have this. We didn't have discussions around, okay, three months, maybe we'll go back to work. It will look like this. And these are how many days. And this is how the finance is going to look. And you were bringing this money with like we did. Our life does not work like that. And would you back up? We are much more attuned to what's the truth at the moment. Some people would look at how we run our lives, and maybe how we don't have those kind of conversations sometimes and probably think, what the fuck? But, fuck them. I love them, but that that's that's really a life for us. We, you know, we we have a level of structure in our lives now that, you know, because we have a baby, but also we are very much attuned to what's the truth now, what's the truth, what's being asked of us and I would rather our child witness us move through the challenges of choosing what lights us up and dealing with the financial struggle, dealing with the logistical struggle, dealing with the expansiveness of our loss. Then to go into creating structure for the sake of security. And I know that it's important to feel safe, and it's important to regulate, and it's important to have a window of tolerance and all that sort of things. But I, I feel that if we're really here on a path of creating a new way, existing for the guitar, if we're really here to experience a new way and really, like set the foundations for the life that we want to live, we're going to have. But we we have to or we get to choose to prioritize things that don't necessarily make sense or things that don't necessarily, add up from a logistical or a practical standpoint right away. Yeah, yeah. And so I. It's really just getting comfortable again. And we also have some maturing to do in those areas as well. Like I think that for me expanding you then learn to regulate and integrate or integrate through regulating your nervous system to this new level of leadership. For me, it's like if you had of waited till he was three to run your full spectrum, and live event, you were just delaying the inevitable. You're just holding back for fear of like, but I know why. And then to like feel climbed in the space and I even I can feel it. I was talking about, you know, we had a conversation around taking sacred rage over ten New Zealand later in the year. And the guy I was speaking to, he's like, well, he's making a can we do and run full spectrum on laws. He's making a big client. I'm like, oh, I love that this is me. And what I would say is that as you continue to grow, you inspire me to grow. As I grow, I feel that you expand your capacity as well. You know, I've been running in-person events a lot more than you. And then as soon as you've brought him into the space, you felt the life. Yeah, I felt my life through you. And you're like, yeah, I'm more so, you know, for me, this is. And then it revealed. Okay, cool. I want to take April and November of every year starting next year. What does it look like to create a lifestyle where we have a being, a nice, beautiful chunks of time? Are we actually go and be a family. And then when we come back, we we we really, a business is a part of our life. It's not something we have to step out of and step back into, and we create a lifestyle that really honors how we want to role. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think one thing like, again, we didn't have those kind of conversations around like, oh, this is the smartest thing to do financially when we, you know, when you know, we, we know we were just like, right. And this is what it's felt like coming in and, finding our way of running to businesses in parenthood. Yeah. Is like what's most alive right now, what's what feels true right now. And for me, about two winter months, in maybe three months in, when I really started being probably 20 months in, I was like, oh, I want to run a claims next year, and I, I want to do a full spectrum woman Live had never done that before. I was like, but I want to be live. Can I actually just check the video to make sure it's, still, yeah, I want to, then I'm going to bring full spectrum woman my, like, online hobbies of holding women. I want to meet those women in the flesh. I want to hold space I 100 woman event. Right. And that, you know, maybe other people like looking at maybe three months time postpartum and organizing. That would have thought that was insane. But that was what felt most alive, and that was what felt was life giving. And that wasn't like a I need to make money move. That was a fuck. This is what lighting me up right now. And this is what I'm being pulled into creating. And there was actually part of me that felt like, like I said before, that my work would feel like a burden once I go bars. And now, in retrospect, I'm like, of course, my work and creativity didn't feel like a burden. I gave motherfucking birth. I became a portal to the other side. My creativity was only ever going to be amplified. My desire to create and be a vessel to birth things, not just my son, but birthed things in the world, is only ever going to be amplified. When I gave birth to him, when I became a mother, and I feel the way in which he birthed also, like only like reflected back your ability to create, to to do things your way. I feel like you really like. I think it only anchored you more into your your leadership and more into your devotion to serving and guiding women back to who they truly are. And I give you some roots. Yeah. Thank you for being with the cast. Do you guys okay? Yeah. And just on that point, just to kind of play somewhere else for a moment, it feels really alive. You know, people say, oh, and obviously it does, but people say, you know, that journey from maiden to mother? Awesome. You know, not having a baby and then becoming a mother and having a child. Oh, birthing a child, is, you know, it transforms you. You're not the same person. No. Woman on the other side. And, yes. And I felt more like myself than ever before as a mother, I was expecting to feel like this real death. And that hasn't been. That hasn't been a huge experience of mine. Can I share about that thing I want I want to deepen. But you can share and I don't want to listen to any of that. And, and yes, I believe that I have had many initiations and I was. Very most trying to deepen right now. Yeah. Wherever you want to go with that is that on the weekend I had claimed. So this is my three day in-person immersion. You must. If you're a woman, you must make it a priority to come to this. This thing is on my next fucking level. It is this is amazing. The weekend was absolutely motherfucking impeccable and next level and, like, it was a fucking masterpiece. What went down in that room? Oh, a masterpiece, such a fucking masterpiece. Like what unfolds in every woman's body will unfold in in my facilitating. What unfolded just in the collective and like as a, as a co-creation. It was fucking impeccable. And I left that weekend or even throughout the weekend, something that I observed within myself as a facilitator. And I haven't done that much in-person stuff over the last. You know, a few years since Covid because so much of it has been online. But what I witnessed in my facilitating and also just myself as a, as a creator was how much I trusted, like, even when you read even, like, facilitating me, like, actually change my mind. Let's do this part instead. Or we were supposed to have someone come care for issue on the Saturday and be on the land and they couldn't like at the absolute last moment. And I was just like, that's fine, we'll find someone else, you know? And even Meg is like a year ago probably would have had a lot of contraction around that or trying to be like, oh my gosh. And like got micromanaging around that. There's probably Meg of a year ago would have gotten micromanaging around other things in the space like would have taken responsibility for so much more than she needed to, and my depth of trust in facilitating my depth of just being an open vessel and surrendering to the space and surrendering to what I wanted to move through me, was like nothing I've ever felt as a facilitator and a businesswoman before. And I know that was because of the way that I birthed. Oh, and I know again when I said about like, people say, you changed like that, made it to not the journey, I think there was an expectation that I was going to come into motherhood and immediately be like, I don't feel like myself, who the fuck am? And and like I said, I felt more like myself. And on the weekend, I don't know, it was just such a beautiful confirmation of, that initiation did change me. That initiation has shifted me on a cellular level. I didn't have to think about trusting. I didn't go into the weekend going. It's my intention to trust more. It's my intention to open more. It's my intention to, you know, and be deeper in my facilitation. I just was it right? Because I am mother now. I just was it because I truly gave myself over to the initiation that was birthed and is especially unassisted birth when you have no one to outsource to, right? No one tells you what to do and how to do it. Yeah. So that just just in my own experience, I was I'm so proud of that. And I'm so that was just so beautiful to to witness that and feel that and, you know, I do I feel more and I was speaking to a friend about this this morning as well. I feel just like. My leadership and my, like, trust in myself and my like, yeah, my trust in my work just feels so to 1 million times stronger since becoming in my life. And again, it's so interesting that I. How did I ever doubt that? And of course, you don't know what's coming for you on the other side of, you know, moving through any initiation but through the process. So of course, I didn't know how I was going to feel and who I was going to be or how I was going to experience my work. But yeah, just sitting on the other side of that now, I'm like, oh, of course I feel like this. Of course, women trust me more because I've lived through that initiation. Of course, my spaces feel fiercer and stronger and this is claimed this is full spectrum women that I'm watching right now. So to kind of not even if you can't, even if you can make it to claim to make it to a full spectrum of life. Get in the fucking room with me for you. A full spectrum woman will just be launched and it's no longer membership. It's a human container of deep. Great coaching group coaching with me every fortnight, coaching with Jacob every second month. And a pleasure ceremony and practice every month. My whole body of work that I've been working on for 4.5 years, the whole curriculum and a of replays, it's like 80 plus hours that you can binge, pleasure practices, all my master classes and relationships and all my master classes on pleasure and sex and pleasure, anatomy and all the things. It's literally just pretty much everything I've ever done. Plus coaching with me for an entire year, twice a month, and much more in community. So get in the motherfucking room. Like I said, you don't want to be in my world right now. I'm on fire. You have changed. You have changed. Hey, hey, can I speak to the maiden to mother piece? Because I'm. I like to speak about women and what they for. Because I'm an authority on women. I'm an authority on women. But I want to speak because I really, truly believe in rites of passage and initiatory sequences. And whilst you may not have consciously created it, I believe what women got to experience in the room with you was, an initiatory sequence that really symbolically represented the rite of passage, which a rite of passage actually takes you deeper and deeper, deeper into who you truly are. Yeah. You actually go somewhere. You go deeper within yourself. That's the whole concept of a rite. It's a ritual to connect deeper with who you truly are. And when you connect deeper you, it's you then have the capacity to expand from that place, which means you can take more responsibility for your life. Like you said, with the women like claim is not necessarily about being getting someone to claim you. It's about becoming the woman that is so, indescribably, uniquely true to who she is and that deep place that there's no other way back to her to be claimed by evoking that, what I really feel that I've done well, and I want to speak into which I think is important for men to understand or for women to be able to feel into is like, I haven't forgotten about the maiden within the book. And what I mean by that is that I see you as mother. Yes, but I also still see you as Meg. And I still see you. I still see you in there, you know, quite often it can be. Well, now you're a mother. You're no longer the whole. You're no longer the businesswoman. You no longer get to be any of those. Those things no longer hold, hold weight in my awareness. It's like my for me, my perspective of you is that you are. You're still a part of you, that the maiden is integrated within you. It's not dead yet exists within you. Whilst mother is what you've expanded into. Yes, there's still the desire to serve women through your businesses, still desire to suck cock and ride and orgasm and scream and while and do these things like that has no that is that still exists within you. And I feel I've been very, very conscious of breathing life into all aspects of you. And I've made sure that you felt I have also made sure that our home and our relationship has had room enough for you to be all of who you are, like, if we're going to play this full Spectrum Woman card, it's like, you're not just full spectrum mother, you're full spectrum woman. So for me, what I've what I've consciously done and it's has stretched me, don't get me wrong. Like, yeah, there's many times I've wanted you to just. Can you just only be a mother and just let me get and do what I wanted to? I will try to make plays and I work for days. When can you, like, do some more cooking? Can you just cleaning? Can you actually keep your word? Like you said, you're going to clean the inside of the house if I clean the outside of the house and you haven't actually done that maybe twice a week. Speaking of that now, but we need to bring that up. But yeah, like I, I've been very conscious not to just see you through this societal lens of now you're a mother, you can only do these things. Yeah, because I believe a man has has responsibility. And how the relationship, the quality of the container for the relationships of man only being the lens or the the perspective of mother and projecting that onto you, you're not going to feel the room to to bring all those other parts of you. And you can still you can still bring it. Yes, but it will create tension or conflict in a, in the relationship because the man is not seeing you for the full fullness of who you are. And this is the issue. I see a lot of men like falling into it like old school masculine feminine dynamics. They're like, well, I've just got to be the man and only be masculine. So she can only be feminine. Surrendering to her feminine femininity. I'm like, yes, awesome. Love that for you both. But also, where are you only allowing her to be a certain way so you can be a certain way so everything fits into your happy little control box. And that for me is where, I start to lose the. But I lose me these, these polarity teaches all these relationship teaches that quite often aren't in relationship who quite often haven't actually gone through the initiatory sequences themselves or in relationship, and therefore just applying a formula that doesn't really actually honor the depth of what you can create in a relationship should you choose each other deeply and should you choose your path deeply. Also, I love that, I feel like I need to put this guy on the floor one more time, so I and I will respond. This is I could call them responsible guys. Oh, they hold me. You can have. Yeah. Thank you for for bringing that piece in like that. The conversation around, like, honoring my maiden and still, like, knowing that, like, within your own psyche, not just looking at me and and experiencing me through that lens of your mother. Now, and, you know, I talk a lot about in my work this, like, maternal whole complex that we have and we put on women, which is like, you're either mother like pure, like mother of Jesus, or like mother of Christ, like you didn't even have, which is a maternal. You didn't even have sex to get birth or, like, have a baby or the whore. And so when a woman goes through that initiation of motherhood and often an initiation that, you know, so many women is can can be a traumatic experience where they didn't feel healthy, they didn't feel, you know, in their body and they didn't, you know, there's this is many women's reality. But going through that initiation and then being held within their relationship, held hostage in this box is your mother. Now, it should look like this. You know, had, you know, you stepped out of the box. You cannot be the haunting or you cannot be this. You cannot be that. You can't do all these other things that actually give you life. Yeah. Women are like, you know, I've heard what it says or it's actually been that's been pretty hard, like all the adjustment. It's like, well, yeah, because sorry. You go I just yeah. This I'm just having I'm like, yeah. Like it's like you don't actually feeding the parts of you that give you more energy, more life, more vibrancy to to meet motherhood, to meet, you know, the other areas that feed you the sex, the, the business, the, the textures that, beforehand you had access to which then could there was a giving and receiving it. Sorry. Yeah. And I think motherhood can't like of course, every woman has a different experience of mother. But I'm not saying it can't be hot or it's not allowed to be hot or we're doing it wrong if it's hard, no way. And I think culturally, if we look at this like not one woman's experience, but culturally and collectively, you tell a woman, your mother now, okay, your partner goes to work 9 to 5, you're in your home with just your baby, and you're not allowed to be anything else. And you need to do it perfectly, right? No screens, no signs, no nothing. You just be with your baby every second of the day. Bathing 100. I should not feel okay. If that was my reality, I would not. I am thriving, I feel so nourished. I feel honestly and I'm being so truthful. I feel the best I've ever fucking felt in my body, in my life, in our partnership, as a woman, in my business, all of it. I feel the best of every fucking felt. It's because I refuse to fuck with any of those stories. I refuse to do my pregnancy. I refuse to be my boss. I refuse any manhood in our relationship like I've consciously allowed myself to go. My work feeds me. I want to go and be fed by my work. You know? I'm also blessed and have intentionally created work where my work looks like me and my office and my baby in the next room, and me coming out to play with him and hugging and kissing him, feed him and then go back inside a little bit like that's what my response looks like. You know, and but but this is the reason, like me feeding all of these parts of me and then our relationship, like you consciously really knowing that, you know, my mother to feel fed in my motherhood is actually all these other pieces feeding all these other pieces that then filter into my mothering. And then when I'm feeling fed as a mother that feeds all these other pieces, too. And right now it's like my mothering, the fact that I've given birth and become mother has electrified my fucking work. And it's put a fire under myself and my mission and the women in my mission. And like, I'm holding space like I've never held it before. What's moving through me is like, so much more fiery and connected and just deep than ever before. And so the women in my world can feel that right. Being a mother has done that, but then also showing up in my work and allowing myself the space to be that and bring that and be a vessel for that. Creativity is also meaning I'm alive as a mother, I'm on fire as a mother. I'm so present. I'm joyful as a mother. I'm I'm honestly enjoying spending time with my son. I find it life giving. But like I said before, I don't feel like I would if you went to work 9 to 5, and we kind of did what our culture tells us and the kind of family unit should look like in those early days of motherhood. Yeah. And again, I'm not saying it's impossible for a woman that has that lifestyle to feel that way, but I'm going to say it's probably very fucking hard. Like another reason, just like circling all the way back to before when I said people looking at I've gotten so many questions like how are you running these events. How are you doing this. You're breastfeeding. You're doing like you're, you know and you said it beautifully before, like you're holding me in all of me and you're knowing that my me service feeds me. And an a mama that's fed and mama that's nourished feeds the family. And so that's a priority for you. So you, last week before claimed you gave me lots of space. You put press pause on some things in your business so that I could really take up a lot of space with my business last week in our family. And then so I. You could be with you for those three days, but, you know, I was going to on you let me go to the bar. You know, you let me you encouraged me, booked me in to go to the bathhouse because you knew that's what was going to feed me and therefore feed our relationship and feed our family. Like these decisions that we're making, we're making we're making decisions as this family unit, knowing that us nourished is supporting our whole family unit to thrive. And part of what nourishes us is our service. I just want to add one more piece before you dive. I got in New York on Tuesday with my mom because my sister lives there. So I'm going to be setting tonight in New York because I'm getting a bit sad, to be honest, I know. So when I wasn't there. Today's Jacobs, sadly, is like, I think we've been we've had quite a few we've had other things that have been important and like, you know, present for us to be with that. New York has just kind of felt like it's been a while away. And then like today, I am I really feel like I got in New York and like through friends. Yeah, I just want to get to like it's like so fun to just, like, have access to him. I know. So yes, I like to be ten days is a long time. It's almost as long as I think the better part is 14 days. So it's like, yeah, yeah, it's going to be more like 12 with the flight. Yeah. But anyway, a few weeks ago you were like, there was, you know, you're running your business. Someone is you're running an event in Perth and there's other people that could have run it. And you showed that. Oh yeah, it's happening in Perth. And I knew I could feel, that you needed to run, not that you wanted to run it. I could feel that that it was it was necessary for your business. It was necessary for, you know, your movement for you to be there. Yes. It didn't really make a lot of sense because it's the three days leading up to me going to New York and like, you know, after I've just held claim to we've had such a huge fucking month. But I turned you when I said, go, please go. We we've got this. You need to be there. And so and I genuinely meant that. I genuinely do mean that I'm really excited for you to do that. And so I think I just want to really like for those that are just, again, sort of had questions about how, like, how are we doing all of this? There is such a generosity that we're offering each other and our missions and our movements right now, and really creating this culture where there is no resentment, like we're just like you. To so fucking generous with me. Last week was so the priority of our family. Last week was always our son first and foremost. But the priority then was my business and my mission and my service last week. Now the priority over the next few days is your mission and your service. And that means you going to pass. And that means me not having any sense of resentment around you going and doing that, but going, you fucking got this. I've got our boy, you know, I'm I'm going in my pants for three nights because that's what I know I need to choose to be able to. Not here isn't meant to you. I need to go and be with my family so that I'm not the only one with that sun for 3 or 4 nights, or when I have, you know. So go and do the thing there is like, you know, made sure there's people around me and made sure someone's coming over for the night and made sure I'm getting the support that I need to still nourish so that you don't walk back into the room and walk back into the home feeling like, I don't want to fucking do that again, because she's all she's doing is holding this like, you know, weight over me. You holding me to something? To something she said I could go and do. And now I feel like she's regretting it or making me feel bad about it. And I started to smile more. I did not feel that again. You did not really get to work that much at all last week. Not once did I feel you making me guilty of own or anything for that. Again, it was like, this is what our family is committed to right now, in this moment. And yeah, that that's how I'm making this possible. It's not a hey, you got two hours today and I only got three to you. We were willing to listen to your mission last week, and it was for three days. And I've only got to, you know, it's just like, what's the truth of the motherfucking moment? What are we asked to do as creators of our own missions and as a family unit now? And I think that's just circling back to this in the start of the conversation. That's why there's such deep intimacy with us as well. And parenthood is bringing us closer because it's requiring us to really attune even more like to step out of any part of us that was being selfish with our mission, because there is a selfishness. We could be selfish before that. Yeah, we didn't have to run as much by each other. Hey, I want to go do this thing. I you could tell me that it didn't really make a difference. I could go do something else. If you were going doing that to you right now, it's like, oh, you go and do that thing for three days and then sometimes three days, like, yeah. So it's just like, burning away any selfishness. And in its place, we, we are stealing that devotion. That's the key. That's the that's quite often the missing link that people, people, are looking for in their, their relationship. They're like, okay, polarity. Okay. Masculine, feminine. Got it. Intimacy okay. That's what we like. We both care and we love each other. We've got things that we do together that make us feel connected, awesome. But then when life asks for something greater than what you've already created, when life wants you to grow and expand, it's going to have to be devotion. And devotion breaks out of the, the the formula of you do this for me. I do this for you. Sometimes it's going to be I'll do this for you. I do this for you. I do this for you. I do this for you. And then you meet the point where you're like, I don't want to do it anymore. It's like there's going to be one more little invitation, like, hey, I need you to do this for for me. And I was like, are you going to choose to whip out the school board? Are you going to choose to practice devotion? And are you going to actually learn how to bring your desires to the space, or see where you're not nourishing or feeding yourself, or where the structure for your life is not actually conducive with what it is you deeply desire to? Oh my God, I just have so much to say on this, because this piece and this is nuance. This is not about like and this is energetic. This is so and this is what we call like if you work with us on relationships, like if you're if you're in a relationship that isn't the devotion is void and you don't have that and you guys are constantly pulling out the scoreboard, everything's great, but you're constantly like sliding into, well, I've got extra credit. So you need to, you know, pull you pull your weight. If you're not like, I feel this is what we really support people with incredibly well when we show people like, actually, you guys do love each other and you're just being invited to be initiated through devotion into a greater depth of of relating and how do you know that you're playing a game with the the game if you feel or that been anybody correct. And you withhold desire and you bring complaint, I might feel resentment in my body, in our relationship for a moment. I do not carry that. And we all I speak to myself. I am very liberated in even last night I told you that I had a bath and I was feeling a bit of rage towards you. I said to you this morning, I can count on one hand the times that I felt that, you know, I got to clean up after after, Yeah, it was around, me wanting you to, she biting and scratching my pay. Plus me just having enough of that. But, yeah, the fact that we don't we are so devoted to not holding resentment in our bodies and clearing it, and also, again, being so generous with each other and and it not being this like, tit for tat relationship. And this only does work when you're both committed to that culture. Right. And it has to be such a deep it's ego to do iterating this style of relationship. Yep. Because you can't go on and you can't be doing acts of service or doing stuff for your partner, then hoping he's going to do something back. It's, I'm doing this because I fucking love this person, and I can see how deeply this is going to nourish them and love them. An example of this is like, and I very even if you don't, you know, we've got a specific way of living a life like both of us are businesses, but home with us on if you're like, if you're a woman and you are like at home with your baby, your babies, and your partner is out of work, how this can shut up might be like you have the feeling of, oh, when, he gets home, I want him to have the children or when on the weekends, I want to be around him, and I really need him to be with the family the whole weekend long. Maybe a generous thing you can do is after a week where you feel that he's really tapped out is you say, hey, babe, I just want you to take Saturday morning just to you. It's not just edgy. If that feels like a bit of like there's no fuck you. Like, I've got to be with the children for five fucking days a week. How dare he cannot take the morning like that's you owes me. Yeah, it's really about obliterating any of that, right? And like, even, even a few weeks ago, In maybe, like, I got it right. Even a few weeks ago, you had a three day training and you were coming home each night, but, like, you were doing really big days. Yeah. And, I had my mom and dad who wanted the days. And then the on the second day, it was really long, and she was cheating a little, so it was like, you know, a bit stretchy. And I was looking for and, and I had a lot of work to do today, so I couldn't I can't really work when I'm just with her. She, I like, just, you know, when someone else is with him that I can lock in. And when you pass it down, you guys throw everything at. Oh, my God, my mom. I thought I kept watching my mom window here, and my mom's like, let's clean your office and let's do this. And like, I just end up doing house stuff with them. So it's kind of looking for I knew you were going to be coming around seven and so I was holding out for seven, hanging out for seven years. I actually wanted to take a bath and then do a little bit of work. You came home and you were like, all the guys are going to dinner, and I go, I could instantly feel like you're like, oh, no, I am. And I think I even said, that was part of me that was really excited for you to come home. And I actually, I was actually already in the bathtub, actually already envision myself in the bathtub in there. And then you had a you had the hanging with the works with you down the one. Me two. And I just took a breath and I was just like, no, what's the truth here? What feels really generous? Not what's what am I just like being performative about just being like, what can I give him? Because I know that he's going to have to give back to me. Yeah. And like my like. Yeah. And then hold him hostage to that. Like, I know I took a breath and I was like, yeah, I would love to be in the bath. And you know, I would like to get a bit of work done, but I can feel how much this dinner means to this man, and I can feel. And you even said to me, I'm good. I do not have to go to the dinner. And I, I was like, no. I was like, go and I not only said go, you went. I sent you a text and said something like, spend as long as you are because you were awesome, because I didn't have any dinner ready. And you're very good at like making me dinner and, you know, providing for me in that way. And we'd organized you to bring me home dinner, but I could tell. And you said, I'll only be an hour. I'm just going to make it quick. And I was like, amazing, thank you. And then when he left, I was like, you know, I'm actually going to like, free him even more tonight. And I sent you a text and I said, we don't need you at all. Take as long as you need, like, I've got our we've got this. And for me, that felt generous. I was that was a devotional practice for me. Totally. And I got off on that. It's so beautiful to be the woman that was like, yeah, I could sit home and be like, fuck you. You told me you were going to be home at seven. Now you've got a dinner. And now I'm sitting with the baby all day and I've got a job to. And I do work too. And this is important season in my life. And I'm still selling you know, I that was a choice. That was an option. I could have chosen that I could have I could have contracted myself all evening and could have sat there like a bit of rage on. Right. That would have been very shit, but I couldn't. And yet I chose to be generous with you. But not only you. I chose to be generous with myself because, fuck, I had a really fun night because I was liberated in my body. I felt free in my body. By freeing you. I felt free in my body. Totally. And again, this is such a nuanced conversation we're not talking about, especially for women. I'm not saying push down on your desires and just let your man run free. Don't be permissive. Like don't think like, don't be like to the cool girl. Yeah, I don't need anything from you. Like, yeah, you do whatever you want. Yeah. Like I'm no I'm not, I'm a guy's girl I don't I don't need you to do anything for me. Like we're not being permissive is not what we're speaking about here. Because permissive comes with an expectation that if I. If I do this for you, then you won't leave me. You'll love me. You won't. You won't think that I'm too much. And you came back on. So that three day training is the week before I had cleaned. Yeah. And you really gave me that week after to really lock in and, like, prepare for claimed. And I had a masterclass and you really gave me a lot. And I remember you coming home on Sunday night and you were like, my love, this week is yours. And you said to me, you know, I again, I didn't expect that and I didn't do this demanded or I do this, I didn't do this in general on not Saturday, on Friday night or whatever it was. I because of this, so that you would do this for me. But you came and you said, I want to give so much to you this week. You are so generous with me. You really allowed me to drop in like you were really expressing, basically, because of how generous you were with me, I was able to facilitate. Really amazing. I was able to be so present with those men. I was able to really lead. And I want to gift you that too. So this week is yours. And these days of yours are, you know, do as much as I said, I really want to know what you need to feel really supported. Yeah, really just absolutely crushed claim this week. Like I want to know what the what what would feel so supportive so I can make sure that you, that you have everything that you need. I know that I've got one of two goals this week that I need to be. Apart from that, I can really feel that choosing this is going to be, it's going to be really powerful for you. I want to know that. Yeah. I'm here for you. And I didn't do that because I felt guilty. I did that because I felt fed, because I was know overflow, because I that was the difference. It was like, oh, I've got to do this for me because she did it for me. It's like, no, I was like, I normally I'm fucked after something like that. Sacred rage is a is a deep dive. It's a deeply, deep it's a deep journey. And normally I come out of that, I'm like, exhausted for like three days. But because of the structure that I've built and the way in which you supported me and gave me the freedom to, like, really, really go all and choose it without needing to constantly feel like I was owing you something. Which was that? That was it. It wasn't it. Then you gave me what I needed was that you gave me what I needed without condition. And therefore I didn't have any guilt or anything tied to it. It was in creating weight in my body. Don't make it so that you could talk and thank you. Which was like the capacity to come back to you and someone, someone has to go first and and dynamic like this. And often this is where the ego obliteration comes from. If you're feeling like, oh, well, why the fuck would I be generous with my partner when I have all of these list of needs and desires in my relationship, and he or she doesn't actually need them right now, and I've been asking if he might or she doesn't like that. That's exactly why this is your motherfucking practice. You either leave that relationship if you're not feeling fed, or you stay and you come into devotion and you let go of the scoreboard and you practice generosity through the part of you that doesn't, you practice generosity and devotion through the part of you that wants to hold your partner in resentment. Because honestly, there is a part of all of us that gets off on holding our partner in a bit of resentment. Right? Victimhood. Yeah. It's right. It's like a there's a heat in that. There's a part of us that wants to be like, you did the wrong thing. You you're not, you're not. Yeah. You don't care about me. You're not jealous. Yeah. Like, be honest with yourself in being like, oh, where is the part of me that gets off on holding him in? Not. And what do I have to what is it going to take for me to be able to free him and also free myself of that dynamic and it's so glorious. Like I said that night where I really gave you permission and not permission to like, but like I said, go. We don't need you. That wasn't just for you, Jake. That was for me, because it felt better in my body to do that. You felt glorious in my body. I'm a woman devoted to liberation. The most liberating thing in my body in that moment is say, okay, that's the man I'm gonna let go of. Like, yeah, the imaginary. Yeah, instead of trying to grip on to. But I knew I wanted to get work. The work will get done and things will get done. You know, I'm going to trust this moment. I'm going to trust that this is what our family needs. I'm going to be in devotion to what our family needs 100%. And I really feel that there's a devotion to love, like there's a devotion to, you know, what? What is life asking of me? And in that moment, you ask that question, I was like, it's actually asking for me to like, give him the freedom to go and do what he needs to do. Yeah. And ironically, at that, you know, I caught up with the bro. He's a guy that does marketing. He's an epic dude. I love him. And I was talking about and he's had some really good success with what he's doing. And then I messaged, I was like, hey bro, I'd love to get some support with with just some feedback. And he's like, yeah bro. We jumped on a call. He's helped us out with a whole lot of things, and that's actually fast tracked something that would have taken me probably three months to figure out on my own. So by you trusting that which life was asking you to honor, I was able to actually save myself three months of headache. So who am I now that I have that that quantum leap in my business? Who do I get to be now in my home now that I'm not? There's not a part of me thinking about that. There's not a part of me being drawn away from from you and from ocean, from our life. Like what actually has fast tracked and what actually has created more ease. Was it you having the both of you honoring the truth? Yes. Which is beautiful. Like you didn't know that I was going to have that experience you trusted. And through that, you know, there's been a really positive experience that has allowed our business, the business that I'm in and what I'm creating in my is to actually, like, breathe more efficiently and more productively. Yeah. I think we should close out. I just want to add one more thing, and this is for those of you that are listening. Really, I think it's like, and I'll speak for myself. I want to be in a partnership with you, Jacob, where you said yes, that's a partnership that feels really delicious for me. When Jacob's feeling fed, I feel fed. Yes, I also want to feel fed. But I'm also very aware that union is about. You know him. You know, when he's fed, he comes back to me, fed, and I get access to that kind of man. And it's the same thing Jacob wants to feed me, because I'm a more glorious human to be with when I'm nourished and fed. Right. And this is why last week, when I was preparing for claimed it wasn't just I'm going to give you the minimal thing so you can go and get done facilitating that like and get it done. It was what do you need to feel fed to do this? Hey, I think even Jacob said, I want to gift you a bottle session. You're going to go you're going to go today. When can I fit you in? And that made him looking after our child, right? That made him driving with us there, like all the things. And but he did that because I'm a delicious woman to be with when I'm fed. And so he facilitates that. And so if you're a man listening, know that supporting your woman to be fed is going to be a delicious experience for you. And if you're a woman listening and you know your man giving him time where he feels like is you saying, I think this is a genuine thing, that space of don't know, demand, like giving him space where he can go out and you don't need him like I knew. I know that when I tell you because you are so on when you are in a home, Jacob. Because whatever asana I need you out there, I know that what feels most life giving for you is not being needed. So when I said to you that night, it wasn't just go and have dinner. I knew the depth of the feeding was going to get done where I said, I don't need you, take as long as you need. Yes. So, so just just for the women listening. Yes, I she agrees. For the women listening like this is a gift. What what would it take for you to be like, hey, go and play golf this weekend. Get your golf on. That's such a that's so funny. The golf is like you have a mid 30s young children not going to golf hunt. I don't play golf and I'm not going to text you a million times why you play golf. Go and play golf. And I've got this I don't need we our family doesn't need you till 2:00 today. Go do whatever the fuck you want. You know. And this obviously, if you're thinking. And if you're a woman thinking. But what if he goes and does that? And what if he doesn't choose to use that time? Probably. There's a lot of fucking work that I that that relationship is not for you because you do not trust that man, or you have a lot of work to do in letting go of control, trying to control this man. What if what feeds him is going to play video games until 2:00? You've got to be fucking okay with that. At, he's literally trying to, so that is very sick in your ears. And, but you've got to let go of what you think if you give him that time or gift in that time. But then you have conditions on, well, you didn't use it. You use it correctly. Went into this with your friends. I'm going to in video games or you did this right. Nerd, nerd. Hey, you you you practice this to this guy, go and feed yourself. We don't need you by two. I actually don't give a not give a fuck what you do, but like, you're freak and not even you save it like going. Do you go and do whatever you need and then come back and help? And how he feeds himself has nothing to do with you. Yeah, like he wants to play video games if he wants to go and surf or if he wants to go and watch the footy, or if he wants to go and golf like men do. Men shit. Yeah. And it's not a reflection of how much he loves, cares or doesn't love or doesn't care about you. Like when he goes and does that he's doing it purely for himself. And if he has a space of no demand to do that, where there is no guilt, shame or judgment for what he's choosing to do, he will come back to you, fed, filled up, and ready to engage and create a deep connection because he feels like himself. And when he feels like himself, he's going to bring himself to you. He's not going to bring the watered down version, the guy, that version, the I'm not good enough version to you. He's going to bring the fullest, most, generous version of him because he's being generous with himself and he's felt safe to do that within the relationship. So whether it's golf, whether it's, gaming or whether it's, whatever it is for him, that activity will feed him in a way that you can't. Sorry, that's the choice. But what it does is it gives him more access to who he is so that he can bring more of who he is back to you. And that in itself is going to completely shift the dynamic of your relationship and have you feeling more fed as well, because connection is an important part of the lighting, and you want to be connected from that deepest part of ourselves. I'm just going to add one more piece and then let's close out. Yeah. When you're freeing him of hey of me and now family don't need you, or if you don't have a family with this man, you can just say, hey, hey, I need you today. I don't need anything from you today. Don't. Do you, You're also. That means nothing. If you then step back into this space and you're full of judgment. And this can be very overt or codified, but he can feel your judgment around how he's chosen to spend that time. If you're agreeing to this, you're also choosing to free him of your judgment around that. I think that might be a little hard on his his. Little mic. So that would be cute for the video. She's like honestly, like chewing the mind right now, which you can probably hear. So yeah, free like just just letting and this is and I'm, I'm speaking really to women here because this is so much more common for women. This is your work. This is your motherfucking work. If you're going if already, like, your skin is crawling and you're going, I don't. He wouldn't even use that time. He's so tired at work and he would probably go and fucking just be on his phone for those hours. And then he'd come back and he would be exhausted. Like, that's actually your shit to deal with. Like, not. There's so much in that. Not trusting your man, not trusting him to take care of himself. Not like the part of you that actually wants him to step back into the house. And you, you want to you want to like. And this is this can be still hard to hear. You actually want him to fuck up so you can go. You say you. I didn't use it. I gave you six hours today and you just fucking scold you. Fine. The whole time there is a part of you that gets off on not being feeling like you. You know, that, feeling like, you know. Yeah. He doesn't know anything. He's. He's not capable of using his time so that you don't trust that man. I'm not saying that man is not trustable. I'm saying you're choosing not to trust that man. Trust is a choice. Trust is a choice. So if this is making a skin crawl, if this is if you're having those questions, that's a whole lot of your work to do. And if you're a woman, I would suggest coming into my lab. Come and join us in full spectrum. Women come and work on your own bodies so that you can trust this man, and you can generously gift him with space and generously be devotional so that you can also offer that he can offer that to you, and you can deeply receive this. This is like, how reciprocity works and devotion works in relationship. I have. Okay, like I said, doors are open to full spectrum women right now. Get inside, get inside. I don't need like, if you are listening to this anywhere, I feel like every woman needs to be in full spectrum. Woman. And I got to. It's like a year initiation. Come inside. You get access to me. If you like. The fucking podcast, imagine me in his room with you live three times a month and Jacob every second month. And this wisdom directly personalized to you and your situation in your life and your sex life, your intimacy, your life is a woman and there's so much there. Please come and join us. The link is going to be in the show notes, or you can just have some on Instagram if you have questions. I'm always available and just right. Man, just with the sound. I'm always available on Instagram if you have questions around wanting to join but not not being unsure of. Yeah, what's alive and having questions about whether that's right fit. I'm here or you are in. The claimed waitlist is open. We've got we're going to confirm dates by the July August, but there's only ten spots, so jump on the waitlist. You're interested. It's below as well. Yeah I just got a message from one the women from the first claim. Just like speaking into the beautiful experience that we get to co-create on the Saturday, the day two. And it's just so beautiful to see how that is still filtering into her life, how that is still sustaining her and and guiding her in her life. And it was just really beautiful to acknowledge this work. When you do do it, it doesn't just stop at the retreat, you don't finish when you leave, it actually filters out. And we're both really custodians of this work. But also, spokespeople for sustainable body based, processing that allows you to go out and integrate into every area of your life, which for me, my love witnessing you and the women I claimed over the last three days, it was it was poetry in motion, like you said, it was a fucking masterpiece. So if you're a woman who has forgotten that you are an incredible, beautiful piece of artwork that is here to be honored, claimed, ravished and and have your world rocked by a beautiful present and devoted and conscious man. And please, like it would be an honor to see more women choosing that and and just I, I just what I take from it too is that it it feeds the it feeds the, the the new way for men to step up as well. I think, you know, we can want men to do more work, but if you're a woman and you want to do that work like that is how you invite men by by deepening into your own core. And this is, you know, this is also an invitation for the men. You know, we're starting to run sacred rage across Australia. We do it in Gold Coast where I've in Perth this weekend, but in down in Sydney in, late April. Well down in Melbourne again late May. And we're really wanting to create more and more access to this beautiful, deep, rites of passage work that gives you the access point to the start of your journey. So if there are any men who want to, start that, get involved in that, we have a beautiful offer where we offer and take it to sacred rage and take it to the gathering of men and 12 months in our academy for $3,000. It's ridiculous. Value. We have a payment plan available. So if you're a man who wants to go all in and really just, like, really invest in yourself, in something that's going to really initiate you, educate you, and provide you with the acknowledgment through brotherhood. The am I owning also gives you sacred rage, a full day workshop. It gives you The Gathering Man, which is a four day men's retreat unlike any other. And it also gives you 12 months at 12 months access to our academy. So we'd love to have you guys in there if you feel the cold and it can be down in the show notes. And is there anything else you need to speak on? It feels good to be back in the seat with you all. Dress up a big love family. Peace bye Yo, yo, yo. Thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of sex, love and everything in between. Now, if you'd like to stay connected with Megan, you can head on over to Instagram and follow me at the Jacob O'Neill. And where can people find you? Love her at b dot. Megan. Oh, amazing. And yeah, guys, check out the show notes for all other information in regards to what we've got coming up. And yeah, we're super, super grateful that you guys have taken the time to listen in to this podcast. If you do have any topics or any questions, like I said, hit us up on Instagram and we'll see what we can do. Apart from that, have a beautiful, beautiful rest of your day. Thanks for being here. Big, big love.