Episode 109: From Maiden to Mother in Business: The Evolution No One Talks About w/ Meghan Lee

"Motherhood in business isn’t about doing less—it’s about leading from a deeper place."

In this soul-shifting episode, Meg dives deep with Meghan into the unspoken initiation from Maiden to Mother in entrepreneurship. Whether you’re a literal mother or stepping into a new era of leadership, this transformation isn’t just about adding more responsibility—it’s about embodying a whole new version of yourself.

We’re breaking down the emotional, energetic, and strategic shifts that happen when you move beyond the hustle-and-grind approach and start leading from deep wisdom, presence, and power. If you’ve ever felt like you’re outgrowing old ways of doing business but don’t know what’s next, this episode is your permission slip to step into your next level.

Meg and Meghan also riff on: 

• The hidden initiations every woman goes through when stepping into leadership
• Why “doing it all” is a trap (and what actually moves the needle)
• How motherhood (literal or energetic) reshapes your business and creativity
• The power of slowing down to speed up in business growth
• Why softening into your feminine doesn’t mean losing your edge
• The nervous system shifts required for sustainable success
• How to stop making decisions from fear and start leading from intuition

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I was delightfully surprised when, you know, a few months into motherhood, when I started to kind of come back into my work, how white it felt, and how life giving it felt and how much my mothering is actually feeding me as a business owner and as a creator and as a facilitator, and also how my work and my service and my mission feeds my mothering and now I'm in that in living that I'm like, of course it was going to be that fucking way. Of course it was going to be that way. Of course. How did I not see that before? Yo yo yo lovers. Welcome, welcome, welcome to sex, love and everything in between. Where the O'Neals. You're here with Megan Jacob. And this is the place we have really uncensored conversations about sex, intimacy and relationships. Well, super excited you're here. Enjoy this episode. It. Hi, my loves. You are about to listen to an epic freaking episode. It's myself and my glorious OBM Megan Lee from Presence Media. It's actually, interviewing me about business, about motherhood, about the made into mother journey of, you know, my own life, but also within my business. She interviewed me for her own podcast, which is going to be dropping in the next month, but we didn't have an episode this week, so she actually suggested we put it on. We put it on our podcast. So I'm really freaking excited. It is an insane episode. If you're a woman in business, this is going to serve you so beautifully. If you're a woman in business, especially maybe not having yet stepped into the precipice or through the precipice of motherhood, but you know that's on your horizon. Or even if you are a mother, even if you aren't in business, this is just a conversation really deeply diving into my own experience in motherhood, how I'm bringing that together with my business, how it's feeding my business. Yeah, it's a really, really, really juicy conversation. That's all I'm going to say about it. Enjoy. All right. How are you feeling? Do you want to do some, a little bit of buzzing breath just to get. Yeah, I encourage you. Yes. Let's do it. Okay. Breathe in. A couple more, Directly to any area you want. You know, I'm. Think, like a little bit of vocal toning. So good. All right, we will get started. So, everybody, I am joined today by the amazing Meg O'Neill. This is a really exciting podcast because first of all, it's one of the first podcasts on my podcast, turned on and tuned up. And it also may be going on next podcast because we are doing one thing that mothers do really well is being efficient with our time. And so if you don't know me, get. She is a sex and relationship coach. She is the founder and creator of Full Spectrum Woman and just an overall badass businesswoman, new mama and somebody that I very much admire and has been a huge part of my personal awakening journey when it comes to my, Eros, my pleasure. And, Meg, I think you know this. I think I've I've shared this with you before, but before we started working together. Because makes actually a client of ours at presents media. I was following you and you were a huge inspiration to me. Really understanding what it looks like and the language of being a fully expressed woman. And now that I'm indoctrinated in your work and your content because we work so closely together, you know, it's been transformative in every area of my life, from my 20 year marriage to my business to how I parent. And so having you on this podcast, being one of our first guests, feels really special, because you have been so instrumental in my own journey, and I feel like there's no one better to have the conversation of business and motherhood and what it truly looks like behind the scenes. As a full spectrum woman who is all in on all areas of life, from business to motherhood to pleasure to to all of it, and it's a lot. It's a lot of hats to wear. It's a lot of to do's. And, you know, I think as a full spectrum woman, our standards are really high. Like, we're not half assing life at all. We're going all in and all the ways. And I know from my own experience that I can definitely feel like a lot sometime parenting two boys, running companies, teams like, there's so much going on and I would love to know how you are feeling now. Transitioning as into being a mom in business. Oh, she is six months I think now. So just about us. Yeah, just getting started. But how have you found the transition? And you know, what does it mean to you to be a full spectrum woman in business and mom, I love to thank. First of all, thank you for that beautiful introduction. And it's so beautiful to hear how, yeah, my work is like seeped into your life. And yeah, I'm just also so grateful for our connection and all that you and your work have done for my work and amplifying my work and supporting me to, you know, being my genius in my own work. Yeah. So I'm almost six months into my mothering journey, or she'll be six months in a week or ten days or something like that. Which is fucking wild. So cliche. You you feel like it goes so quick with genuinely. It goes so fucking quick. My God. Yeah, I've actually had such an easy, full transition. And I want to preface that by saying I was really unsure and curious as to how I would feel about my business once I became a mother and I, I actually had this feeling, what is this nervousness that my business was going to feel like a huge burden and that I was going to be so deep in my motherhood because that's important to me. Like the way I'm mother, I'm super pregnant with my son, you know, in my husband. And, you know, we're really you know, I co-sleep, I breastfeed, I did all of those kind of things. So it's, you know, that was number one fucking priority going into motherhood. It's how I'm going to raise my son. And be deeply attached to my son and be it the needs, you know, meet the needs of my son. But there was this nervousness of like, oh, because I'm going to be choosing that and that level of presence, it means anything else is going to feel like a burden, like my business is going to feel really heavy. It's going to feel like, oh, I have to do that. I have to make money. I have to like, like I was I really thought it was going to feel like that. And I was delightfully surprised when, you know, a few months into motherhood, when I started to kind of come back into my work, how light it felt and how life giving it felt and how much my mothering is actually feeding me as a business owner and as a creator and as a facilitator, and also how my work and my service and my mission feeds my mothering and now I'm in that in living that I'm like, of course it was going to be that fucking way. Of course it was going to be that way. Of course. How did I not see that before? But you know, when you're still in, when you're on that precipice of the about to step into motherhood, you truly do not know what it's going to be like at all. Right? Even if you can see other people living it out, you do not know what your experience is going to be of that. So, yeah, I was just surprised and delighted that that was my experience. And yeah, it's been so fucking beautiful to also feel, you know, I was very intentional around the way that I did that we stepped into conception the way I chose pregnancy, like I had a pregnancy and a birth outside of the system completely. And that required me to deeply trust my body right? Deeply trust my body. There was no one to outsource to. I couldn't, you know, I wasn't outsourcing to anyone to say, is my baby okay? Should I do this? It was just it was just me. Me and my body and my baby and life. Trusting life and it's actually really interesting. I it was only on the weekend. I held the three day immersion call claimed in person, and it was only on the weekend where I really fucking felt how much that shift shifted my business, and how much that initiation has initiated me into such a depth of trust in the way that I hold space, the way that I run my business, the way that I hold women. And that was so illuminated to me in this room over three days. Because in the past, whether it would have been an in-person experience or just in my business in general, I used to micromanage the fuck out of women in my work. Like, are you okay? Having a good time? I hope she's having a good experience. I want to make sure, like, everything is okay for her. And I want to make sure like, you know, I want to yeah, I want I want to micromanage everything about this. And I used to really grip and yeah, just grip through through my business trying to control everything, trying to make sure everything is okay, trying to, control a launch to the nth degree. Like all of that. And, even little things used to wobble me so deeply. Like, if it was a in-person thing, it would be like, oh my gosh, if, something wasn't perfect or I forgot something, or I said something in the room that just like felt a little like, oh, that wasn't. Yeah, like I wasn't able to slow and trust as much. And coming out of that three day immersion, I'm like, oh my God. My ability to trust is so deeply like how much I was initiated to that through pregnancy, birth. Oh my God has deeply is deeply serving my mission. And just to deepen there a little like we had, a friend of mine was meant to come look after her. She on the Saturday of the immersion that just happened because Jacob was going to be a part of that day with the women. And the night before, she, she messaged me to say I can't anymore. I'm sorry, but I can't. Maybe even, like, six months ago, I would have been like, Holy fuck. Oh my gosh. Like, oh my gosh, what's what's going to happen? And this is really important. And oh my gosh, now it's just like sweet. It's like, you know this is I trust this is going to unfold perfectly. And and it did. Jacob's sister came and looked after us. She and she never looked after him before. We've never actually had someone outside of us, you know, be with him for the amount of time he was, you know, he came and fed and all the things. But, and I just so deeply trusted. I was like, he go like I trusted her to have my son. I trusted the women in the room. Like, yeah, it was just such a beautiful experience to feel that depth of trust and how much it liberated me so that I could serve so deeply in that space. And yeah, I'm just saying all of that to to really bring home this piece of, like, how much this is the biggest piece for me so far that's influenced my work is pregnancy, birth. That initiation has taught me so deeply to let go and how that's influencing me as a facilitator, a space holder business woman is just like the amount I can rest into myself, and my work is just oh, so fucking delicious. Yeah, and I know your work, you know, started way before motherhood and you've been on this journey of personal development, and I know plant medicine, and you have a whole lead up into, you know, this moment of time where you you have handled this transition so gracefully. And I can see this because I talk to you nearly every day and I see behind the scenes, and I know what you're like through launches and events, and you do hold the most pristine energy of trust and surrender. And it is like, that's not standard, especially, you know, when when we're getting started. And it certainly wasn't my initiation into business and motherhood. I mean, I had my my oldest son is 12, and I started my first business the same year he was born. And so and, and my spiritual awakening really started around that time too. So it's like I was entering all three from such a beginner phase. And, you know, definitely the journey of of an entrepreneur and motherhood and awakening and in partnership also because, you know, navigating this type of growth and expansion in a relationship is a whole other dynamic. And so all of those mix together like that is an initiation of, of a lifetime. And I say, now I'm, I'm in a comfortable place of, a different orientation, I would say, where, you know, you speak really well of after, you know, being in business and now stepping into motherhood, you're just really relaxed and calm and there's stuff that's going on in your business, but it's not triggering you because you've been able to cultivate such a, such a sense of, of safety and surrender in your work and in your life. And, yeah. And I, I'd love to hear about, you know, because in the online space that that's not necessarily, standard and there's people at all seasons and cycles of their business that are trying to navigate this, and you know it. We'll see, examples of people online. And I'd like to, to see this as almost like the maiden season and, and that transition into the motherhood season where, you know, you have to be super diligent with your time and your focus. And, you know, sometimes I sit back and I'm like, wouldn't it be nice to just have, like, bubble baths all day and spend all the time in the world creating these things, but, you know, really stepping into being more efficient and, almost like for me, it feels like I've had to really integrate work and business together, like trying to really be one and then the other, like, because that that shifting gears was just too much. And I've really had to step into this vision and this, this season of my life where my family, my business, you know, how we live our lifestyle like it's all it's all related. And I feel like you and Jacob do a really beautiful job of that with your two businesses and really. But yeah. Can you speak to the maiden to mother transition in business and, and your own experience, but also kind of what you see in the online space and, and maybe a message to women that are either, you know, making that transition or about to make that transition in terms of what they can expect. I love that. I'm also realizing I didn't answer your question before about what it means to be a full spectrum woman in business. So let's circle back to that. At some point, I'm almost saying two pieces here because I think, yeah, there's like the literal transition when a woman births a baby. So she's, you know, art and body going from made into mother. And if she's a business owner, obviously that's going to affect the way she's showing up in business and the way she's running her business. But then I also think there's like a maiden to mother, like evolution and initiation in like, all of our business. Does that make sense? Yes, absolutely. Outside of, you know, whether we're birthing children and things. But this like maturation of our business. And I also think why there is such ease, not only in just my own body, around my trust, that has a huge part of it, but also I've been in business for like a decade now, in different way, shape or form. I'm including like when I was, you know, a yoga teacher and a network marketer and like, all these things, that I've had that almost like maiden stage of being in business where it's just like, I'm going to try this and I'm going to try this and I'm going to try this, and what's it like to do this? And what's it like to try out my voice over like this? And there's such like play and experimentation and, and 90 I think as well. And I don't know if you'd agree, but if I knew ten years ago what it would take to really build a business and the grit it would take and the challenges that it would take, and, you know, the the holding that it would take and, just all of that, I don't I don't know if Meg ten years ago would have chosen that. Right. Yeah, that's a good one. I love that conversation. Yeah. It's it's like you only know by going on the journey and finding out who you actually have to become to run a business that is profitable and successful. It's not what you see on Instagram completely. Right. And so I think there is, but I think that naivete is like so beautiful and a necessary part of it. And again be, oh my God, I would not choose any other way of being. I'm never not running a business. I'm never not being an entrepreneur like I never, the challenges are so fucking worth it. But I think, yeah, there's this. And in my own experience, that was probably, I'm even going to say the first six years, it's probably only been it's probably only been since I really started working with you, like almost two years ago, where I have felt in my business this maturation from maiden to mother, in the way that I'm holding my business and the way that I'm holding myself and the way that my business wants to be. And one of the things that it is really significant that I felt that shift in is, in my maiden years, especially maybe, say, just before we started to work together, my business really popped around 2020. So from like 2020 to maybe 2022 or 2023, you know, I went from having a $40,000 a year to like a 250 k year. And I was just like, what the fuck? Like what the actual fuck? And I got quite caught up in the oh my gosh, okay, now I've got a ten K might have had a 2030 came out the other 42 month. Oh my gosh. And this like oh my gosh more more and more I need to keep creating more. That's the only thing that matters. And it got really like how can I. It was just all on like the boom boom, boom boom boom up up up up up. How can I create more? More is beautiful. But I was very attached and grippy to that more. It was the adrenaline fueled business model. Right? And it was so interconnected to my sense of self. So whenever I had a month where there was a dip, oh my God, my entire sense of being felt like it had taken a dip and I was like, punched in the gut. And that was my experience for a few years. And I see that still is like the maiden years of my business, because I was just like, so gripping to how can I make the most amount of money this month? What do I have to do? Oh my gosh, my gosh, my gosh, my gosh. And just like great great great great great. And I was not focused on sustainability. I was not focused on building like a like honing my brand's voice and the customer experience and all of these different things. It was yes, I was still a great facilitator, a great coach. I held a really beautiful space. I was holding beautiful containers. But in terms of like the foundation that I was holding in my business as a business owner and in my in my work, it was it wasn't rooted. I hadn't descended. Right. And so, yeah, I really feel like my own business and my, my self as a businesswoman took that made to mother shift when you stepped into my work and I really stopped. I really like there was a big death in my own business around. I had, I had some I used to hold a business mastermind and one launch, it was like 100 Cait launch. Ten women signed up. It sold out. The next time I launched it, two women signed up. And like, that fucking rocked me. It rocked me financially. I was not prepared for that, right? Emotionally, I was not prepared for that. What what I made that mean about myself, that was that was my birth. Right into the mother, mother, season of my business because I needed to go, wow, like, where am I gripping? Where am I making that mean something about my service, my mission, my, you know, my brand? That was really when I, you know, stopped holding business masterminds because I realized, oh, that's actually not what I'm here to do. There's somebody else that wants to come through. And the invitation in that was really, how can I let go of trying to make as much money as I can right now, this exact, this exact month, and actually create a sustainable business model. And this is where I really started to focus on can I build the full Spectrum Woman brand? Maybe that's not me making huge months to begin with, but let's build her. Let's build her voice. Let's deepen into this brand. Let's, let's, let's look at the long fucking game. Let's look at the long game. The mother looks at the long game. In business, the maiden does not. The maiden is like month to month. And so yeah, that was like a huge shift for me. And such a beautiful shift. And that's taking time. It's like the mother has patience in her business. That mother archetype, that mother energy. She has patience, right? She doesn't make it mean something about herself when you know she has a little dip in income, it's just like, perfect. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. Yeah. And then if I then bring it back to, you know, the made it and made into mother journey of like in of like the literal made into mother journey. Yeah. I feel like my reflections for any woman that's maybe on the precipice is just like, stay open to what is like I can. I've. I know many women that have stepped into motherhood and felt like their business is then a burden or that, you know, they, you know, were wanting to take some space from it. I'm not saying my journey is the only way or the right way. No way. It was so beautiful that I got to step into that. And I feel really lit up. And I also stay open. But also, can we fucking question the narratives that tell us we can't be all of those things at once? Can we question the narrative that tells us, motherhood is going to take from us, our business is going to take from us. That's been the thing that's most fed me and supported me in these early stages of motherhood and business, saying, it's like I'm carrying the story that my mother, my motherhood, feeds me and my business feeds me and my service feeds me. And then just one more piece here is like, I've gotten so fucking good at receiving support, so good at asking for help, receiving support. That was like something I've spent years honing and something that has been the deepest, the deepest, deepest support for me in this season. You know, in my post early postpartum days and also now is my ability to go, I need help even today to be on this podcast. Jacob was working. I was this part of me that was like, oh, do I have to cancel? And I've I've called our birth keeper who loves my son, and I'm like, hey, can you come over and look after him for an hour? Right. That would feel really supportive. So I can come in on and do this. Yeah. And yeah, I think really being able to be a woman that calls on that support, we can't like we can't run businesses and mother and run a household and do all these things by ourselves. That's fucking impossible. Well, no, it's not impossible. But I don't think a woman can thrive in that. I don't think a woman can feel fed in that. So you want to feel fed in your mothering, in your business, feel like thriving in that? There has to be a level of support. And I feel that from, you know, my husband, from our community, you know, I asked for that as well. So I think that's a big piece to and that just really brings up like the whole death and rebirth process, which is the process of the feminine. Right. And so it's like the amount of initiations and stages that a business goes on to get into a more mature phase. And. Right, we're still only getting started. And so there's going to be a lot more of these cycles to, to continue, because that is the nature of the feminine. But I think that these, you know, when we stop, well, when we get through the phase and I think that worth tied to business, everybody faces that at some point because inherently we have been taught at some stage in our life that, you know, we're not worthy and we need to prove and blah, blah, blah, whatever. You know, this stored information is in our cells. We do have to come to the realization that no, like I'm worthy just because I am. This business is separate from me, and my job as a business owner is to make this business entity thrive and so what type of business skills do I need to understand the difference between revenue and profitability? That was a big one for me. I could make revenue, but was I running a profitable business? Yeah. So like what's the difference between manifesting and like having these visions and then actually fucking delivering on them properly, like you said, the customer journey and just understanding what it actually takes moment to moment to be the person that's executing on a particular vision or strategy. And this has to come with experience and time. And so, you know, that to me feels like the mothering stage of business. And I think motherhood does teach you how to get really succinct and and smart about these things, because you now have another mouth to feed. You know, life is is maybe not so, so cushy. And and ultimately, for me, it was all about if I am going to be focusing on, you know, my business and pouring my life force into this, this passion, this creative, you know, birthing process, that that is my business and that, you know, inevitably is going to take time away from my children because I can't duplicate myself and be in the same place at once. I can definitely try to, you know, tend to myself and my nervous system so I can be present and, and and available. You know, to everything. But ultimately, if I'm going to be running this business, it better support me in the way that I desire. And my family, you know, when I put the family there, like as the number one stakeholder are my children. And how can this operation set up so that we all thrive? Like that was a reorientation that I really needed. And, and I always talk about, like orienting your business around what truly matters because it is so easy to get caught up in the metrics and the growth. And, you know, as creatives and I know you are a super creative, woman as well. And so I'd love to talk a little bit about the creative process. But for me, like my create, my creation, I can become obsessed with an idea and I think that's what makes me a good entrepreneur, because I, like, see something and I will devote myself to it until it happens. But I'm no longer willing to do that unless, you know, it's it's the family is thriving. And that that, you know, my day to day life is thriving, even, you know, my relationships. There is a long period of time where, I would prioritize my business over close relationships in my life because I and I feel like it was because of some level of control that I had over my business, like, you know, oh, this isn't going well. I can just focus everything on this. And and that's also been something that I've had to reconcile in, in coming into to just alignment and awareness of, of what truly matters. So, yeah, I love what you're saying. I resonate so much and yeah, I'd love to hear, you know, how you navigate the creativity because I know I work with you. You're such a creative vessel and you understand the process of, like, being a doula to these visions that are meant to come through us. And I feel like full spectrum woman for you. Like, that's not a business. This is this is a sole assignment, like your exact life path, your personal hero's journey. And you just posted a brilliant post on Instagram today. Kind of your before and after. You know, your personal hero's journey has positioned you to receive the fullness of full spectrum woman, which to me is the awakening of women and helping women return into their bodies and their pleasure and their eros, and set a new example of what it means to be a woman. Like, that's a huge freakin mission, and that's pouring through your channel into your business. And so I'd love to hear what your process is with creative energy and how you stay grounded and present to, you know, Jacob and Ashley and what matters while being a conduit to this, this amazing mission that you've been granted with. Thank you. First of all, that's so beautiful. And it's so beautiful to hear you say I'm a very creative woman because I grew up not feeling that I was creative at all. I was very smart. I was like, such a high achiever and knew how to study and get good marks. But I never felt connected to my creativity. So this has been like a decade journey. Learning how to be in business and unravel my patterns of control and unravel my patterns of thinking that I have to try really fucking hard and like, force a creation out, versus resting into a creation and being the vessel for that creation. That doesn't mean I don't put effort in. And I don't, you know, spend hours at the computer doing things. And, you know, I'm not particular about, you know, the way things look and you know, that have I have a clear vision and, like, like bringing that to life. But, I think that's been the biggest piece that has allowed my all my authentic creations to come through has been letting go. The more I let go, the more I unplug from my patterns of control and thinking that it's my job to micromanage everything right? The more powerfully and potently my mission is able to amplify through me and in the world and. Yeah, this is even like now with, you know, your your team and like, you know, there's quite a few women that that work in my work and work in my world, like, you know, on the team and I used to feel and I'm also very particular about that needs to be because I am very good at what I do, and I can do all the back end kind of stuff, too. There needs to be a certain level of team that I'm able to go, you've got this, and I've deeply found that in your team. But yeah, learning to be like, I've like, a trust the team to do that. I can relax into that. I can, you know, my job is the creativity. I can bring those pieces through. That's been so important and such a practice for me as well. I also think I'm able to so deeply trust, you know, what life is trying to create through me. Because I know the feeling of trying to create something that's not authentic to me. And I again, I think that's the maiden stage of business. We hear someone else's voice. We might replicate a little of what a coach is doing that we enjoy. We and I've had seasons of that, like working with particular women and being like, oh, that, okay, I'm going to take a bit of that and like not even realizing, but my voice was I think that's how we find our voice. But my voice was very much merged with that voice. And, you know, I and then this was, you know, that experience I had before where I ran the business mastermind, it went epically. And then it didn't. And one of the learnings of that, one of the heartbreaking learnings of that in the time, at the time, it was financially really hot. It was, you know, to my ego, it was hard at ten women signed up last time and now there's only two women. What the fuck? Oh my gosh, I'm a failure. Like, what do people can think? What are these two women going to thank? The. But a huge gift in that was to go, is this actually what I'm meant to be fucking doing? Is this business mastermind what life actually wants to create through me? When I sat with it, no, there was something else like my mission and my voice totally changed through that experience, right? I stopped again, I hold women in business, my one on one clients, a lot of women and full spectrum women are in business. But I stopped trying to be a business coach because I'm not here to be a business coach. I'm here to be. I'm here to support women to to send the fuck into their bodies. Right. That supports them in business, that supports them in mothering, that supports them in all realms of life. But that experience of things not working right and feeling that in my body was such deep clarity and gave me such deep clarity and was so illuminating to be like, okay, what is life wanting to birth through me? What is the authentic creation that's wanting to come through me? And yeah, I think that's that is now how I trust my creativity, because I know what it feels like when I don't. I know, I know the results. You know, financially, I know the results in my body when I try and force something that is not true, it's not worth it to me. It's not worth it to me. Yeah. And I want to get to, descending in our bodies and why that's important as business owners and how your work really supports that. But I also want to just say, you know, your experience with this mastermind, selling it out and then having to and this happens all the time, like I've had. Every business owner is like, yep, I've had that experience where I thought it was going to be successful. And then the launch has failed and, you know, I think that when you take the journey of descent and you understand, you know, your role, your zone of genius and what you're actually here to deliver. But most importantly, you learn how to, like, strip away all of the sensation that is making the thoughts that are telling you. You know that whatever the negative thought is about your worth or your offer, and really just listening to, what is this woman teaching me and asking me? Like you so beautifully said. And I feel like it's always bigger than you are playing. It's always a bigger level. It's always more. More your voice, like more all in on your genius. Sometimes it's rest. Sometimes it is like, you know, taking a step back and really nourishing yourself so you can get into a place to be able to open up and receive. But I think that if we could see those roadblocks as redirects and really look at the information available within us and around us and respond to that, you know, and I think responding is often like, what are my gifts? What is the market need? I think sometimes the, you know, the junction there, but yeah, I think that's a really important to say. And I do think a woman who takes the journey of descent into her body and is, is able to rest in that void space in the unknown and fully receive the information, is going to take the quickest path. You know, because it will be the most direct path instead of when we ignore those subtle signs and we keep kind of hammering it out. And believe me, I've done this like more times than I would like to admit. It's like there's roadblocks, roadblocks, but we're going to push through. So, yeah. Can you speak to the power of being descended in our bodies as women and making decisions in our business from that place? My labs? 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I love that, and that it's not saying every time, you know, a launch doesn't go to plan, it means you need to fully redirect and delivery. Randall, let go of what you were launching. Actually, a deep practice of business is staying the fucking path and having patience and rooting deeper down into your offering, even when no one showed up. Like sometimes that's solving it totally solving it to the market. Right? So, sometimes that's the truth of the moment. And I love this question in all realms of life, like, what's the truth of the moment? What am I and what am I being invited into? And you know the truth of the moment, my invitation in that in that time of the business mastermind failing, was I need a fucking shift. What's true? Like my voice needs to be different. This offering is no longer who I am. Like all of those things. Maybe the truth of the moment for someone after a failed launch is, I wasn't fucking bringing the full force of myself into that launch. I was hesitating, I was, I didn't I was so scared of, like, being too much. I didn't send as many emails, or I didn't fully show up on Instagram because I was scared of, like, people going to think I'm, like, coming in to hide. Are people going to think it's too much of the like, maybe that's the truth of the moment. It's like, just fucking bring it next time. Like, hold this creation as if it's the most sacred, exciting, magical thing that ever anyone's ever going to step into. So that could be the trigger that the moment. Not that there's anything wrong with the offering, or anything to be evolved. Often there is each time, like there are fine minute everything. And then just one more piece around value here. When I was in that time of, like, feeling failure and I was, like, such a high achiever in high school and university, like, straight-A student, high distinction student. I didn't really taste a lot of failure. My thing was like, avoid failure at all costs. So when I started to taste failure in my business, it fucking hurt. It was heartbreaking. And I remember having a conversation with a dear friend of mine, and his name's Pete, and he's in business two and he said, you know, roller coaster ride of business as well. And, he had a man in his life, an older man. His ex partner's father, and he was a big businessman. And he said the best advice that this man Barry gave him was, he said it wasn't even advice, but he said I wouldn't. I will never go into business with someone that hasn't gone bankrupt. And this guy was like a huge fucking businessman. And, you know, I'm not saying we all have to go bankrupt. No fucking way. But really, the essence of that is this business man trusted other people in business that had been through failure. In fact, he only trusted other people who had failed and gotten back up, who had failed and then rebuilt. And I think that's something we have to own if we're on the path of business and entrepreneurship, is that can we stop trying to avoid failure? And actually, can we just lean the fuck in? And if failure meets us, not if failure meets us, when failure meets us, can we use it as the compass? That's helping us to, you know, bloom bigger, grow bigger, root down deeper into our missions and into our voice and into what we really need to bring that that shifted everything for me to see how much I was like, going through business so deeply scared and so in avoidance of failing, when then I was like, fuck yeah, I want to be on this entrepreneurship path for like decades and decades to come. Can I just can I open to this? Right? Can I welcome this? Can I see this is something that's for me? Can I stop making it mean so much about me when this happens? It's like a shame shifter takes I came for all to empowering. Like, yes, totally that one. Hopefully that doesn't go bankrupt. That that it's going to learn and evolve and yeah, have a have a prosperous, long career in business. Totally. And like I said, I don't wish bankruptcy on anyone. Like I don't think it has to get to this kind of field. But I think anyone it might just be like a launch that didn't go well or to plan, or when no one walks up to your event, or you put all this effort into a live event or live something, and then like you sell one ticket and you have to like, you know, rejig it on that thing. Yeah. Like, that's that's part of business. And yeah, when we remove the shame from that, we're able to move more quickly and more efficiently and more, you know, gracefully towards what we're really here to bring. You asked me a question before that around the woman. Yeah, yeah. So me descending means this, like journey a woman takes from her head. Not even just a head into a heart. I think that's so much a part of the spiritual experience and important part of the spiritual experience. Or the embodied experience. Head to heart. You know, getting out of our head, starting to open, starting to be vulnerable, starting to connect with our emotions and our feelings. But really, when I say a woman that's descended into a body, it's taking that further, taking that journey even further down into our wombs. Our pussies like the part of us that the well taught us to disconnect from. The part of us the well taught us was wrong, was dirty, was shameful because that's where our motherfucking power lives. One of the things I say is you disconnect a woman from her pussy. You disconnect from a power, from her power. And that means you reconnect a woman to her pussy. You reconnect her to her power, right? Like her eros, her aliveness, her radiant to instincts. This is really where our instinctual nature, our primal nature lives as woman, like the animal part of us. When we learn to reclaim this primal animal within us, our instincts of eros are radiance. Like all of these pieces, not only do we just feel more alive and more integrated, more integrated, more whole as a woman, but we're able to move through the world like Rudy in that. And how that shows up in business is we're not just existing. Yeah, like shoulders up in our business. We're not over analyzing everything. We're not looking out at the market and following every fucking woman in our industry, looking at how they're doing it and then deciding, how do I do it? How should I look like her? Should I have my voice like that? Should I do this or should I do that? I guess obviously that can be a beautiful part of business when we're like tasting other people's energies and we're tasting and looking and, you know, feeling into the space. Beautiful. But if all of our decision making is coming from that place, we are going to constantly feel in a state of comparative comparison. Discombobulation, you know, just pettiness as we walk through our business. Am I doing it right? Am I doing it right? Is that right? You know, where when a woman and I've experienced this in my own body and I witnessed this in, you know, so many of the women that come into my world, when a woman takes that descent into her body, she's more rooted in her decision making, her her creativity, you know, bodies more liberated for her to actually feel her authentic creativity and trust her authentic creativity. She trusts where her body is asking her to go in her business again. Like that story of me after my business mastermind failed to be like, okay, I'm going to root down. I'm going to feel this heartbreak. I'm going to feel all the shame. I'm going to feel all this shit. Right. That's a huge part of being a descended woman, to feel all that arises on the journey, to not trying to bypass a push through, like to feel it so deeply, to let it, you know, remake you, let it make you more if you let it transform you. And then to go like after this business mastermind for me to go, okay, what's the fucking truth here? Where am I to go? Body lead me body move me body show me. And you know, on a regular basis. And I love that you witnessed this in me. Like on a daily, weekly basis in my own business. Like, I'll just get pings of like, oh, no, like we thought we were going to launch this day. But actually it's that's not true. Let's push it back a week. We thought it was going to have this name, like when we're on a full Spectrum Woman launch right now. I decided a week ago that it was going to be completely fucking revitalized and transformed and have a new name and all of these different things, and we were going to hold it in a totally different frequency than having a week ago, because my body was like, this doesn't there's something here that just doesn't feel fully landed. And I explored that in my body. And then I allowed that to come through. It's not always convenient because it means, you know, shifting language and changing things on the sales page and staying up late to change that. But that was what was being asked of me. And so I think when a woman descends into her body, she's able to hold her business in a mission with more authenticity, with more openness, with more trust. Right? She's got that relationship with life as well. And and she's not feeling like she's like gripping or controlling her way to make it happen. She's just the vessel to make it happen. And not only do I feel like those kind of missions allowed or and not even allowed a bit more potent in the world, I feel like the women leading those missions just feel more alive, then more relaxed in their body as they bring those, their voice in, their mission to the world. Yeah. Oh, amen to that. And and you mean your work is is the gold standard? I think, for women in business to take that journey of descent and understand what it feels like to be in business from an embodied state, because, you know, I think most people are just if you look at if you zoom out to like, business as a model, as a structure, like it's a very masculine structure, it's a very neck up process for most people, not hopefully there's some love and some good intentions and into what we're doing. But you know, when it does come to like that full descent and operating in that way. And you are such a beautiful example of it. And I says, one of the reasons I love working with you, and that I don't mind when you switch something up a week before launch, maybe not everybody in the team at all moments with the yardstick is us, but that is our job is to truly listen to the creation and what it's asking. And I think the only way that we can do that accurately is by discerning the information that's present to us in our bodies, because, you know, our minds, whatever they can create whatever story we want, depending on, you know, what we've recently seen or read or what other people are doing. And and that is not meeting the moment as it is that meeting, you know, somebody else's past or, you know, potentially a future and try to, you know, manipulate our experience or our business to meet that. And so I think it's like you said, a much more authentic experience when we just respond to what is in the moment. And, and part of the creative process is we see a vision, we see, we feel. And that, again, is is not external to us. That is through us. And then we are, you know, it's more like being shown. And then we can kind of strategize. And, you know, I'm a digital marketing strategist, so I fucking love strategy. However, you know, we can work with a future timeline and plan all of the details in terms of, you know, what are we offering and when and where are we putting, you know, getting your word out there and all the things that we can craft into a strategy. But until we start moving with the strategy, it shifts as we move, right? Like, you know, the frequency that we create shifts the business. So we need to be in in response to, to that and to have the the power and the authority to say like, this isn't sitting right. This is what I feel is next. And and that's courageous to make those moves all of the time. And I think that's part of the, the finesse of, of being in business. You just get used to making, you know, abrupt changes and courageous choices and trusting that they're going to work out because you get more evidence of them working out when you you move in that way. So just honoring you and like, your process. Yeah. Can I just add one thing that because I want to circle back to that maturation process in business that like made into mother, like in the business, I know I used to make abrupt changes in my business when I was in that more maiden phase. But it didn't come from truth. It didn't come from body. It came from, oh, maybe if I change this, it'll work like like maybe not being able to really land and trust in a launch. And I thought if a launch whilst I was in a launch, if I quickly change or change the branding, or if I quickly change the colors, or if I quickly, you know, made changes to the sales page that it would work. And so again, that can be part of the process. That can be, you know, but there's a difference between almost like not being able to just land and trust and rest into, you know, a launch, a business. And almost these frenetic quick changes versus changes that are like, you know, a deeply coming from an embodied place. They can still be quick, they can still be like, yes moves, but it's not this like, I must do this so that it works. It's like, I must do this because this is what I'm being asked. Does that make sense. Oh yeah. It's a completely different feeling. And I think the first one is external and fear based. And the second one is, is like a knowing inside and truth based like it, it's not emotional. It's just this needs to happen because it feels true. So totally. That's the difference. Which brings me to my next question. And you know, my journey in the descent, like I was a neck up person for so, so long. And that served me really well until it didn't. And I was called through my circumstances to, to, you know, take that journey. And I know I hear you talk about this and, and a lot of people are talking about the correlation between feeling and receiving. And obviously to feel, we need to kind of thaw out all of the ways in which we're not able to, to access. And I know you do a lot of practices inside full spectrum woman to help women relax and soften into their bodies, but can you explain your experience with the ability to feel and the ability to receive. And you mean that. Yeah. Like as we expand our ability to feel we expand our ability to receive. Yeah. So intensely related. Oh my gosh. So correlated. In so many ways. Yeah. And I feel like for me it's that descent piece again because a woman that's devoted to feeling, you know, we can drop into our hearts. And I think when we drop into our hearts, we're then just like, I want to feel joy and I want to feel gratitude. And again, nothing wrong with that. But I'm doing this kind of like, love and light voice, because that's kind of what that stage is. It's like, I want to feel love and I want to feel gratitude. And, you know, I want to be in my heart because it feels a bit yummy and delicious and. Yeah, there's that texture of feeling, which is beautiful and part of the process. But when I talk about feeling again, it's that descent into pussy and womb and like the deeper parts of us and it's it's the devotion to feeling the gritty. Like when I, when a launch is failed, can I fucking sit with my shame? Can I let the shame so deeply take up space in my body. Instead of trying to push past it and pretend it's not there and bypass it and just get on with it? Can I meet the shame in my body? Right. That's the only way through. And that is why when we are women devoted to feeling at all, devoted to being so deeply alive in our bodies, feeling the gritty things, feeling the shame, feeling the heartbreak, feeling the disconnection, feeling all of that. That's what liberates our body and our ability to receive. The only way out is through. And so that's a big reason why I think our ability to feel is so deeply correlated to our ability to receive, because if we're not feeling, our body is not a vessel for receive a ship, right? It's it's clogged, it's stuck. There's, you know, the energies and flowing. And if we're not meeting that shame. Right, that's just going to life is just going to keep giving us experiences to reflect fact that shame. So we fucking made it at some point, right. So when we say yes to the shame, we're saying yes to that initiation that life is offering us. Yeah. If I wouldn't have felt the shame after that business mastermind launch, if I would have just gone. Keep going. Do it again. Let's let's, you know, let's work out what went wrong. No doubt I would have had another failure and another failure that brought me to my motherfucking knees again until I sat down and I was like, can I be with the part of me that thinks I fucked up and I failed and nothing's ever going to work out? Can I be with the part of me that thinks that, it's such a shameful experience, and I don't want anyone to know that I failed in this moment, that my ability to feel that and cry with that and grieve with that, and let that take me down and let that take me to my knees and let that break me open. That is why the next time, you know, I leant into launching, you know, I was able to receive in deeper ways than I have. Yeah. So feeling, receiving, inextricably connected, I feel especially as women. Yeah. And when I say receiving too, like I am talking about, you know, financial abundance, success, all of that. But when I speak of receiving, I think it's it's all it's more so just receiving all that you already are receiving the vision that you're already living and the the wholeness that you already are. And so, yes, everything that we're kind of resisting to feel because like you said, it's like not palatable. It doesn't feel good. It it triggers something in us that makes us, you know, fight, flight, freeze, all of the things when we when we learn. And we can find safety in being able to feel the feels. And I am not an expert at this, but I'm getting way better. You know, my my deeper way is often like distract and focus on something else. I think a lot of entrepreneurs, you know, find solace in being able to just like shift our focus and going somewhere else without properly digesting what's actually happening in our system. But when we can learn to properly digest and feel and ultimately just come back to a state of like contented wholeness, then we receive all that we are and everything that we we desire in, in that moment. And so it's it's almost like this reverse engineering. So like, oh, it's not like that out there we're trying to receive. It's actually all that. We really are receiving this. Yeah, I have all that I desire right here. I want to speak a little more into that, because even in saying when I said, yeah, my ability to be with the shame, and then the next time, you know, I opened, you know, actually after that, in a financial capacity, the last few years since that experience have I been in such a build phase of my business. In fact, I was making more money before, you know, when I ran that sold out mastermind, I had, you know, I was having bigger months then than I, you know, I've had some big months in the last few years, but I don't feel that I have it. I'm I feel so much more fed and I feel so I'm creating a way more sustainable business. And I can feel the build even. You know, this month has been one of my biggest months. And like, I've been working to this sustainable, place and I'm receiving, I feel more fed and more relaxed and more open because what I'm creating feels so fucking authentic, right? And there's less of the grip and less of the force. And so, yeah, I love that you just brought that, that this isn't just about, yeah, this isn't just about financial, receivership or financial abundance and wealth. Yes. That's an important part of business. That's a part of the reason why everyone's in business. Right. And that has to be a part of the conversation, and we can't. Well, I don't want to be a part of conversations that are. That's that are exclusively a part about that. Right? I want to be a part of conversations, especially with women around how does it feel? How does it feel? Do you feel alive? Do you feel in integrity with what you're bringing through? How does your voice feel? Does it feel true right? Does it feel good? Do you feel one of the biggest reflections I got on the weekend at my, three day immersion? We had this beautiful experience at the end where we each got, you know, to to take the Queen's chair and get reflections from everyone and get loved up on everyone. And I took the seat last. And one of the biggest reflections I got from every woman in this space was the ease in which you. There was there was no, compartmentalization of me over that weekend. I brought my son in to feed. I was with my husband. I was like, it wasn't like business. Woman facilitator here, mother here, this there. Like, I. I was just all of it in that room, right? And that for me is success and wealth and abundance in business that I don't have to go, oh, I'm facilitating now, or I'm being a mother now. It's like I, it's this gorgeous union and merging of all of that. And yeah, for me that is receivership. That is wealth. I'm so here to make glorious amounts of money and be a steward of such deep wealth, but not at the cost of having to compartmentalize myself. Yeah. Amen to that. And you know, when, when we speak about receivership and a lot of, like, what you're teaching inside full spectrum woman, you know, the descent and working with the, you know, working with our pleasure and the death, rebirth creative process, like all of the things of the feminine, which I think are so our super power as women of business, like, if we're disconnected from this part of our innate ability as women, we are operating in business as as men or as, you know, lifeless versions of ourself, essentially, you know, this, this ability to tune into the feminine. Everything is teach insightful spectrum. Women is is the difference between having, an integrated full spectrum lifestyle where it is all just and not all like we obviously ebb and flow. It's not all going to be, like, abundant and flow every day. We're going to meet our challenges. But it's it's it's more united. It's more whole in the way that we live. Can you speak a little bit more in terms of, you know, full spectrum women? You've got, an amazing program. It's it's coaching with you, group coaching with you, 2 to 3 times a month. It's a full curriculum, like how this could benefit a woman in business and how it could truly transform them through the initiation of your program into their next level. Oh, I love this. Yeah. My work isn't even full spectrum. Woman. Like I said I don't specifically market this a whole this as a business can business container at all. But I would say majority of women that step into my world are entrepreneurs and creatives and business women and there is like we just said and there's, inextricable connection between our body and our receivership and how landed and descended we are and our body and our ability to hold a mission and be a voice for a mission and to, you know, steward wealth or steward emission through in the world. And so, yeah, I would say, you know, the full spectrum woman is really this, this pathway or this initiation into the body, into pussy, into worm, into descending, not just into the heart, but into, you know, the full primal, greedy, wild, untamed parts of being woman. And of course, that is it's going to touch every realm of a woman's life, her relationship, her sex life, her business and mothering all of it. Yeah. And when a I've seen this in my own life, you know, even the year that I really devoted myself to coming home to my sexuality and my body worlds that year, I spoke of earlier where I went from a 40 year to a quarter of $1 million a year. Yes. There were other pieces that obviously that was I'm invested in mentorship. I did all these things, but that was a huge foundational piece to that. Right? Not part of the journey. So yeah, I would say if a woman is knowing, especially if you're a woman listening and you feel yourself in business from that real shoulders up place, if you feel yourself getting caught in, you know, comparison and, just really exhausted from thinking yourself through your business and forcing and grouping and feeling like, you know, this tight hold on your business. And I know what that feels like. If this is you, this pathway in this initiate session is for you, right? It's going to support you to release the grip in your body, release the grip that you're holding on your business so that you can truly bring the voice, the mission, the wisdom, the facilitation that you're really here to bring, which will naturally, obviously, under notably shift what you're receiving financially, what you're receiving. Yeah. In your entire business. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. And I would love to know what is next for you. What do you feel like? Where do you feel like your body of work is going, and what is turning you on the most about your work right now? Okay, I love this because I have deep clarity from the weekend. I haven't even told you this and I'm like, I say it because it's I please transcribe. It's not fully fucking landed yet. But you say, right, you want we can catch up on the rest after I got such and and for those listening, who the fuck knows when this is going to be? This could be in the next three months. This could be in the next three years. But I just got such a deep, deep feeling and a deep, yeah, a deep, full bodied nudge. After the weekend that I'm here to, I'm here to run some kind of facilitated training for women, some kind of feminine embodiment facilitator training and teach women how to hold other women and teach women how to guide when other women into their bodies and take that descent. That just feels like the the next evolution of my work. I've been teaching this work for a while. It's such a gift to witness women, you know, drop into their bodies. And I had multiple women in the room on the weekends say, like, how do I, I want to do this? I, I, I want to learn how you hold space like this. I want to I want to learn how you facilitate like this. So yeah, this just and oh my God, it just feels so exciting. I've never really I've never really allowed myself to fully receive the idea of doing that. So that just feels so fucking exciting and just, Yeah. What I'm what I'm being called to allow myself to be the vessel for. So what's this space? Who knows what here for us to that? But I'm, I'm really excited. And that piece also I'm, I'm really And we've had conversations around this, like knowing that I am here to really support women in their leadership and in, like, these kind of conversations, these business kind of conversations. Tell me the fuck on. I love them, I love them. And even though I spoke about that business mastermind that failed and all those pieces, I know the next evolution of my business as well is having more women that are deeply in leadership roles and, creating movement and really wanting to hone their voice, like really, you know, having them in full spectrum woman having having more of them in my work, having more of them in different containers, that really fucking excites me because these conversations are so important, so. Yes. Just seeing you and all of that and so excited and honored to create that with you. I love co-creation and just how it works. And, you know, when a, when something is received and then passed on and how it works with everybody involved to, to bring it to life is truly spectacular. And like you said, you don't know the timing. You don't know the timing. You know that that feels true. And that's one of your next steps. And now, you know, we get to to pay attention to what is being revealed to us and what the truth of the moment is, and take steps as we go. But right now, a full spectrum woman is is taken over and, it is at this moment open for, enrollment. It's a year or two. You want to take a moment and just tell everybody listening about Full Spectrum Woman and how they can be a part of it. Yeah. We've just I'm calling this, like, the new era of full spectrum woman. I've been running this in many ways, shapes and forms for almost five years. But this time we have transformed her into a yearlong group coaching journey. So all that we spoke about in this podcast, really full spectrum moment, is the place women come to descend into their bodies. Maybe they've already been on the spiritual path for a little while and they're like, oh, I know how to be a bit vulnerable. I know how to, you know, open my heart a little. But women that are really wanting to take that further journey, like into their pussy, into the womb, to be a woman that feels it all the gritty pieces, the DACA pieces of our womanhood, the parts of our womanhood that the world told us not to be or not to express or not to embody, our eroticism, Morpheus voice, our instincts, our primal nature, all of these pieces. This is really what goes down in, in this space. And we've transformed it into a container. So you get to come and be devoted to this year and be held in this container and have me as your coach for an entire year as you do this. I'm such a big advocate that, yes, like even listening to this podcast, there might be elements that are going to change, you know, change the way you show up listening to other podcasts. Oh, amazing. But I don't think real life in Body Changes happens over at our podcast. But real life and body changes can happen in a motherfucking year. Oh my God, that changes. That can happen in a year. The changes I've seen in my own body, the changes I've seen in the lives, the bodies and the lives and the relationships and the businesses of the women that come into full spectrum woman. In a year like, oh my gosh, how much can change in that period of time? So yeah, if you're a woman that knows this and you would feel that if you're listening, if you know that, oh my God, that the scent is what I'm needing next. And it's a little scary and it makes me nervous and what's, what am I going to be required to do? What's it's going to ask of me? Beautiful. Like that's let that guide you. Let that lead you. Let let that pull you into this space. And come on this, this, this journey with me for the next year because it's going to be wild and beautiful and, and full spectrum. And I can't wait to be in your corner as you, give yourself permission to be this. Yeah. Not only is it, Meg, it's a whole community of women that are on this passage right now, and I truly feel like it is a rite of passage. And it is. This is the bridge between somebody that's not. Not that they're not, but they're. They know there's more. They know there's more to being a woman. They know that there is more to their relationships. And, you know, I am a testament to to your work, like a 20 year marriage. I feel like I'm so happy to celebrate. I've never felt more in love and connected and just having the time of my life with my husband of 20 years. We met when we were babies and so, you know, your work was such a, a support in us maturing together. Because when you are on a growth journey in relationship for, for that long, you know it, things can fall out of sync. Throw in some kids, throw in, you know, some businesses and and just yeah, the journey that you take women on to ultimately come back to the truth of themselves and, and helping them develop the language, to be able to have powerful, you know, dialogs with their loved ones, to be able to really honor their true needs and desires is it's it's a world class. And so I always recommend anybody who wants to go on this journey of stepping into their, their womanhood to descend into their, their body. You are the teacher, that I so highly recommend. So everybody check out Meg's work. Full spectrum woman is open for enrollment. I will be adding all of the links to the show notes, so you'll know where to find her. And. Yeah. Is there anything else you want to say before we close? I just like to thank you and your work and your team. And like I said, you, your team and you were such a huge part in the maturation of my own business and I'm very much like the maturation of made into mother in my business, in a business sense, has been realizing I can't do it all and part of being able to release the grip is also been able to go, I need to trust other humans to hold me and, support me and run this mission with me. And, you and your team have just been so fucking phenomenal at that. I could not hold the the the bigness of the vision that I have and the mission that I have and all that's coming without you and your team. Yeah. And I'm just. It just makes me so fucking happy to be doing this with you. And to have, you know, I have had other women work for me in the past. And when I was, when a particular chapter closed with my last support, and I was looking for someone, I was like, I want someone that's really fucking invested in my mission. I want someone that like, really is living and breathing it alongside me and believes in it and believes in like, yeah, believes in women coming home to their body and coming home to themselves. And you are just that. And that makes such a difference, right? Having someone you know believe in my mission alongside me, and I'm just so fucking grateful for all that you do and all that you offer me and my mission and the women at work. The women that work in my world too. So thank you all. I love you, thank you. And that's the standard, right? That's how good it gets to be a win win, win win. Yeah. Amazing. Well, thank you so much. And, yeah, all the links are in the show notes. See you next time. Yo, yo, yo. Thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of sex, love and everything in between. Now, if you'd like to stay connected with Megan AI, you can head on over to Instagram and follow me at the Jacob O'Neal. And where can people find you, lover at the Dot? Megan. Oh amazing. And yeah, guys, check out the show notes for all other information in regards to what we've got coming up. And yeah, we're super, super grateful that you guys have taken the time to listen in to this podcast. If you do have any topics or any questions, like I said, hit us up on Instagram and we'll see what we can do. Apart from that, have a beautiful, beautiful rest of your day. Thanks for being here. Big, big love.