Ep 108: Becoming an Irresistible Invitation for Him to RISE w/ Jamie Elizabeth Thompson

A king doesn’t rise from pressure—he rises from your invitation.

What if the very thing you're doing to get your man to lead... is the exact thing blocking him from rising?

In this soul-stretching episode, Meg sits down with intimacy coach Jamie Elizabeth Thompson to unravel the lost feminine art of becoming an irresistible invitation—the kind of woman who inspires a man's devotion and leadership without ever needing to push, demand, or manipulate.

They dive into the three biggest shadows women bring into relationships—entitlement, manipulation, and affectation—and how they silently kill intimacy without you even realizing it.

If you're craving a relationship where your man steps up, claims you, and meets you in devotion—this episode will crack you open.

Meg and Jamie also riff on:

• Why controlling your man actually weakens him
• The myth of the "ready-made king" (why no man comes fully formed)
• The difference between preferences vs. true feminine desire
• The biggest mistake women make when trying to get a man to change
• Why real masculine leadership requires you to surrender your ego
• The secret to being claimed without forcing it
• How to inspire a man’s devotion by fully embodying your feminine power

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The mature adult woman is like he has every right to wear a hat in the airport. He has every right to speak the way he does when we're in social settings. He has every right to sit down on Sundays and watch golf and football instead of doing spiritual practice. I guess, you know he has the right. And the more I honor that right. And even, like, celebrate that right. That is me celebrating his sovereignty. That is me celebrating his kingship. And this is something that women don't get. But if he is constantly catering to your preferences, he is not in his king. So the more that we can celebrate and honor his choices, this is part of becoming a mature woman. This is part of cleaning. Yo yo yo. Lovers. Welcome, welcome, welcome to sex, love and everything in between. Where the O'Neals. You're here with Meg and Jacob. And this is the place we have really uncensored conversations about sex, intimacy, and relationships. We're super excited you're here. Enjoy this episode. Hello, my loves. Welcome back to sex, love and everything in between. I am here with the beautiful Jamie Thompson, and we're going to have a really epic conversation. I'm very excited for this. To see where our conversation weaves. Welcome, beautiful. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me, Meg. It's my pleasure. So I was just telling you, I found you not even that long ago on John Winelands podcast. And, yeah, I just really felt you through that, through that conversation. And again, I was just sharing this with you. But I feel what, you know, I've heard many, many people talk about what you were talking about, but the transmission you brought and the depth and I could just feel your embodiment was so palpable, even even through just listening. And I think that's so that's so that's what I look out for in the space. And I think that's just so important when, you know, we're, we're in the space teaching or receiving a teacher. So, yeah, I just want to thank you for that. And I'm so excited to feel more of that today and to to really weave in conversation with you around relationships and sexuality and. Yeah, and all the things, thank you. I appreciate the reflection. And it is one of my deepest devotion and service is to bring a sense of maturity and depth to the conversation of sensuality and erotic energy and dating and relationship, like, how can we bring back the sexy in being a mature adult woman? Yes, yes yes yes okay. Already go want to go a million places even with that, with that comment. But, if you just want to take a moment to introduce yourself to everyone and tell us about your work. Yes, absolutely. So I am Jamie Elizabeth Thompson and I have founded a company and a community and a curriculum called Awakened Woman, which is a set of practices and tools for feminine awakening. And this is awakening from everything to the highest, most ecstatic spiritual access that we have to our deepest, most primal, erotic embodiment. And how do we really create a full spectrum aliveness inside of our human existence? And so that is the path that I have devoted my life to, and that I walk with women and couples on. I love that. Okay, let's dive in. One of the you did a real the other day and I want to start here. You spoke about the myth of the ready made King and oh my gosh, I see this in the women I work with. I see this online, this like, what what am I looking for? There's almost like an entitlement sometimes that women can carry and have around. Yeah. This is this is what I want. Where is my king? That's what I'm looking for. And obviously I'm all for women having high standards and knowing what they want and really being available for that and knowing what they're not available for. But I would love you to speak into what you mean by this. The myth of the ready made king, and how you may be seeing this as, a dangerous or harmful thing for a woman to hold when she's dating or when she's, you know, opening to love. Yes, absolutely. I love I love it. This is something I love about you is that you're like, you're spicy, you're provocative. Like you want to go right into the into the meat and the truth of it, which I love that so much. So in that, like, just backing out into a little bit of context about this. So I am truly here in service of divine union. Like, I believe that the healing of this planet and the evolution of our consciousness comes through the couples who surrender themselves to something greater than them and allow their relationship to be the playground for their own awakening and embodiment. And so all of my work comes from the context. That relationship is a spiritual path. So dating is a spiritual path. So a lot of what what you named the word entitlement, which is one of three words that I would use to describe the biggest problem I see in our modern dating and even relationship world. And what I see is, there are some shadows, one being entitlement as, as you mentioned, of this idea that we should just have the fantasy, the image that we've created in our mind of what the absolute perfect man is, and I call it Ready Made King, because it's kind of like a ready made pizza where it's like Domino's. It just delivers to your doorway and you're just sitting there on Netflix and you know, you haven't actually done any of your own excavation or inner embodiment work, but but you believe that you, you should have this thing that is actually not a match for where you are. Like, you haven't actually become the woman that is a vibrational match to receive that kind of king. And so that would be the entitlement. And the second aspect that I see in this is, something that I actually did a lot, actually, I did a lot of all three of these, so I can display that. But this one, is what I call affectation. So affectation is putting on artificial behaviors as a, as a mask, as a way to project something that, again, is not your congruent embodiment of who you are on the inside. Right? We live in the world of Instagram filters and, you know, makeup and plastic surgery and courses that are like, how to get a man in ten days. And it's like, what are you actually doing? If you are trying to get a man in ten days, like, are you contorting yourself into pretzel like shapes that are actually not who you are? And if that's the case, because relationship and dating is a spiritual path later on, life, you know, the divine is going to, illuminate where that incongruence was. So there and that is something that I want to just double click on because in my industry of teaching and guiding women into a deeper aspect of their own sensuality, their turn on, their embodiment, a lot of times women come in expecting a quick fix, expecting that they will just have something that will just change the way that they seem, as if, as if they could just put new packaging like better branding, better marketing on their, on top of their self without actually really shifting and doing the inner work and cultivation to shift the contents inside of the packaging. So it ends up being like, you know, an art, an artificial peach flavoring versus like a lushly luscious, juicy peach. And so that's the affectation. Okay. So there's entitlement affectation. And then the third is manipulation. And, manipulation would be like trying to get a man to like you, which which sounds like this is what we're always trying to do. But if if you are not, if we are not simply being in our essence and inviting him to see us as we are, but instead we are trying to put on a show, be something, be more sexy, be more soft and devotional than we really are. Be more like powerhouse badass than, than than we really are. And we're doing that as a manipulation. This one is so sticky because the inside of our beingness, we will never actually trust that man that we knew we could manipulate to like a version of us that we knew was not real. So that is always creating this. This subtle. We're seducing our self into and seducing him into something that isn't real. So we can't trust it. We won't be able to trust it. So these are kind of, modern day like challenges that I see with, with women in, in dating. And this idea of the ready made king. You know, the other aspect of this, and I know you're in, long term devotional relationship, and I see this in your post as well, where it's like relationship is a dojo relationship is hard. Like there are challenges like you are going to get worked. And a lot of times I think that women want this idea of this perfect divine thing because they think that they will get to collapse and not actually have to do the work that they will have to do at, regardless of where the man that they attract. It's, 1,000%, 1,000%. And what came up for me then, when you were saying that is like, we want the ready made king so we don't have to feel certain feelings when we're in partnership. Right? We want we want him to come perfect. So we don't have to feel the parts of us that want to control, or the jealousy or the contraction, or the parts of us that don't feel good enough or whatever it is. Right. But that's that's inescapable. If we want to be, you know, committed to divine union and devotional partner partnership, it's like we can never bypass any of what's alive in us, no matter how perfect that person that comes into our life is. Yeah, I'm so glad you said that. Because really, what all of this does is it creates an armoring and a closure inside of our, like, primal feeling, feminine body. And then energy is not actually moving. And a man actually can't feel us if we're in manipulation, affectation or entitlement, we are not feel able. Which means the the love that we are seeking can't actually feel us to find us. He must feel us to find us. And that's how we create this link. Opening like the cosmic Yoni, just like is is open and available. But if we're like, just like everything's stuck in strategy and not really in the feeling body that you're speaking of, then we aren't actually signaling full availability so that will attract a very different kind of man, because a man who truly wants devotional union and you know, a good, benevolent man who might be in king like qualities, wants a woman who is fully available for him and is ready for him. He doesn't want to come like, you know, go through the moat with the alligators and the booby trap and the, you know, the electric fence in order to, like, try to get into your heart like he's actually looking for a woman who is signaling availability. Yeah. What comes to me then? He's like, so. And I'm sure a lot of women in your work ache to feel this feeling of like being claimed, but our body has to be in a certain posture to be claimed. Right? Our heart has to be available to be claimed. We can say with our mind, I want to be claimed, but it's a totally different thing to embody that and be a space, be like an embodied space for that. Yes. And it means that we're going to need to surrender our ego. That's that's the thing is, like, it's like when the sperm hits the egg in the egg, the egg, like, explodes into, like obliterates the egg. Right? The same thing happens when a man claims us, right? We are obliterated. Like the ego, the identity, the self that we were is now saying yes to a union and saying yes to union is always saying, I'm willing to lay my ego on the altar. I'm. I love the word obliterate. And I think so many women want that or think they want that. And then when they in, in the moment of that, that's challenging this fuck, because we have internalized so much like we have so much armor. I don't think there's any woman that's immune to, you know, the world we live in, all of these things to, to not have, you know, placed armor around her heart and in her body. And. Yeah, I think this is where, like, I love that you said relationships can be hot. And I agree that this if you want to be obliterated in love, if you want to be fully claimed, it's also saying yes to the part of me that just wants to like, hold the fuck on and the part of you that feels hard. The part of you that that is struggling to like, let go of control in those moments, the part of you that wants to manipulate him, like that's actually the journey to. I'm sure you agree with that. Like a to obliteration and deep opening. Like meeting those pieces. Yes, yes. And and and in the obliteration. That is what I have felt and seen and women on on this path our our our deepest design like there's an aspect of the design of the feminine that is meant to be obliterated into the God is meant to be, is meant to receive so fully that she is in a state of devotion, surrender and ecstasy. And so it it is worth it. That's the other thing is like like divine union should, should you choose to accept the invitation is absolutely worth every bit of thrashing. And that's what it felt like for me in in my relationship. We've been together for three and a half years and we're engaged and we have this amazing partnership, and we have chosen into relationship as a spiritual path. And one of the places in myself that I got to meet in that is my own armor and the way that I had preferences and ideas of how I wanted it to go and how I wanted him to behave, and how I wanted to feel and the level of comfort I wanted to have. And I've been doing this for for a long time, right. So I got to receive and drink in all of my, my own medicine to really be in the practice. And all of this is truly a practice. Like none of us, none of the women that you see talking about their relationships on Instagram have arrived. It's like we are all in this daily moment by moment journey of opening and embodiment and awakening and surrendering the the armor. And I remember there was, there just I'm remembering this moment of of my, my beloved looking at me in the eyes when we were making love and and he's like, I need you to receive all of me. And I was like, I am. And he's like, I need you to receive all of me. And I was just like, you know, it. It's like the energy started actually opening into places that I didn't even know that I was closed. And this is one of the ways that should you allow a king into your life and divine union, he is not going to settle for 99% of you. He's going to constantly invite the stretching of you into more of yourself. And so it's been such an initiation to be and allow myself to just let go of all of the egoic ideas of how far along I thought I was, and and just allow the moment by moment while in this moment I can receive more. And let me say yes to that instead of, you know, critique ING or resisting in some way. And so this, this, this is truly a journey of perpetual becoming more of who I am. And and that is that is why I, I continually share and, and bring deeper aspects of my own practice through, because I feel like that in some of these personal examples and moments is where we can, really receive the deeper transmission. Yes. You have just such a delicious way of teaching and describing things too. It's like, yeah, it's really felt. I love it. A few places I want to go, but let's, let's go to the place around. You said you had preferences and around the way you you wanted him to behave, and I just, I feel like that's such a place that many women, you know, experience. Right? Whether that, you know, early dating stage or me, I'm in a ten year long relationship. There's still preferences. There's still things. I look at my relationship and I'm like, if I if I still have. And sometimes those manipulative qualities are still there, but I track them so much now and I'm aware of them. I don't let them, you know, drive the car of my relationship. But there's still parts of me that it's like, I wish you would have said, you know, be like this in this moment where there's so, you know, X, Y, and Z. So I'd love you to speak into, you know, for a woman that feels like that tendency to want to manipulate him and change him, those preferences for how he should behave should, like, drive certain relationship. What what would you. Yeah. What would your invitation be to her? Yeah. Okay. So first, a couple of little definitions to really kind of create this, this playing field. So a preference is something that we are trying to a way that we are trying to control him so that we can be more comfortable. Okay. Now, a true desire or the invitation for him to rise can be confused with a preference. Right. So this deepest invitation for him to rise is like our womb deep truth that sees his greatness and is here in service of his awakening. Devotional service from our heart has nothing to do with our comfort or how we think things should be. It's truly our full feminine system in service and devotion to the masculine, which is, I believe, one of the highest artistry that a woman can be in. So I want to share that, because I believe that this confusion causes so much unnecessary suffering in relationships, and that there is an artistry to becoming the invitation. And I love the word invitation because an invitation has no attachment, but an invitation is fully open in creating an opportunity. And some women inspire what they most deeply desire and inspire their invitation in their partner, and others repel it. And if it's coming from the place of preference, where it's like this thing that we just it's like our, our idea of how it should go or it's this thing, we want to make it more comfortable. It's just like it's it's causing us to not really just rest in that deep, womb like invitation. It often repels what we want. Like preferences actually repel the masculine, a masculine man, from actually giving you what you want. Like the energy of preference has a repel it because it's like it's up here and it's just kind of this like little like naggy, demanding, criticized kind of thing. It's not actually our deepest embodied truth. So, for, for me, I know that the more that I let him feel this deeply embodied truth in my womb, in my cervix and my heart, in my pussy, the more that he responds. And so there's so an example of of this. I mean, I have so many examples of like my preference self where it's like, I'm like, you know, when we're in public and we're with our friends, like, you know, you should speak this way and you should like, do this thing and like, why are you wearing the hat when we're in the airport? Like, why do you wear the hats like, I don't, I don't like the hats like we that's not what we did it, you know, it's like it's like a it's a real there's like most of us probably have a preference. Real that literally just runs about things that our partners should do differently. And it's just it's just there. Right. And and at some point, I, have started thinking that it's cute, like, it's like it's it's cute because it's the younger part of me that just wants to feel like, comfortable and easy and have everything just kind of, be the way that makes inner Child feel the most comfortable. But that's not the mature adult woman, right? The mature adult woman is like he has every right to wear a hat in the airport. He has every right to speak the way he does. When we're in social settings. He has every right to sit down on Sundays and watch golf and football instead of doing spiritual practice. I guess, you know he has the right. And the more I honor that right and even like, celebrate that right, that is me celebrating his sovereignty. That is me celebrating his kingship. And this is something that women don't get. But if he is constantly catering to your preferences, he is not in his king. So the more that we can celebrate and honor his choices, this is part of becoming a mature woman. This is part of queening, right? Is like actually being in celebration of his choices. Yeah, and I have more. But I was just I'm curious if you look. Oh my gosh. Well, I have so much to say on this. I agree 1,000%. Something that I've realized within myself. And, you know, I teach this now is that in those moments of needing feeling, the need to share our preference, for me, it was, I need you an example to not wear the hat in the airport so I don't have to feel this, so I don't have to feel this discomfort. Awkwardness? So I don't for me, a lot of the time when I, like, wanted Jacob to dress a certain way, it would be. Also, I don't have to feel I want you to look like that. So I feel like we match and we look good and people perceive us in a certain way. But if you don't wear that, like if you're going to wear what you want, then I have to be with the discomfort of how are people perceiving us? How are people perceiving me? How are people perceiving him? So really, I feel like the maturity of this also is can I be a woman that's just willing to feel what's there instead of trying to control or manipulate my man so I don't have to feel, can I let him be a free being and feel what there is to feel and you know, the reflection of had from my husband, since, you know, being devoted to this work is he feels like there's so much more space in the relationship for him to be here. And because of that, I feel so much more of his power, and I trust him so much more deeply. And you, you touched on this before that, but a man that just boils down to our preferences and contorts himself to our preferences. We don't actually then say, I can trust him. Then I kind of like get the ick and a bit repulsed by that. And I think this is the piece that we really need to, acknowledge is women who once, like so majority of women that come into my world want to feel claimed, want a man that they can deeply trust, want a man that they feel he's fucking power. That also means we're going to be uncomfortable sometimes. That also means he's going to do things that aren't always, you know, it. Our preference and part of that is like honoring that and accepting that and allowing that to be, you know, part of the process. Yes, yes, I this this is bringing another aspect of this online, which is, is the other the other side of preference, which is the the deeper oracular navigation system that the feminine has. And so I believe that, you know, I love how you said that a lot of women coming in want to be claimed like that. Me too. Like everyone wants to, you know, wants to experience the loving, ravish and and claiming of a man and a question that can be kind of uncomfortable is, what do you have to offer him? Yeah. And I love this question because it has us look at whether we value the feminine inside or not, like some women like it's like, you know, the things of like what you have to offer, like the first layer. If your condition in our culture is like, oh, well, I'm smart and I have a good job and I, you know, I look nice and I, you know, take care of myself. Right. But like, deeper than that, the right what what are your feminine gifts that you've embodied? What is your feminine artistry that you have embodied, that you have as an offering to him? And one of the aspects of this which kind of is adjacent to this conversation is our oracular navigation system. So if the the masculine is the driver, the feminine is the navigator. There's, there's a, there's a navigation system that women naturally have. Because when our oracular gifts are turned on, we can see in the dark. And it's it's an incredible value to embody this, both for ourselves and for the masculine. So one of the most incredible gifts that I believe that we have to offer is our deeply embodied invitation for him to rise into his greatness and our inner knowing and spiritual gifts and oracular wisdom that knows what that is like. We can sense and feel if we're in our bodies, if we can feel, we can sense and feel what that is, that will have him step more greatly into his power, into his wisdom, into his leadership. Like we can feel what that is and that is such a gift to him. And I have chills because this is divine union. Like this is part of just just as he is obliterating us, it into our essence from our ego. With his leadership, we are also the invitation for for him to rise and I have, an example of this that also has my, death of my preferences inside of it. Because, Kim came hand-in-hand with this one. So, you know, a couple of couple of years ago when there was a big crypto market crash, my, my beloved was invested in crypto, and he was all excited about crypto, and he was doing all of this in it. And my sensing, like, my guidance was like, something is off. I don't know how to explain this. Like, I don't know enough logically to even have this argument. And I know in my body that something is off, and I, I brought it to him and he gave me many logical arguments of why I was wrong. And I was like, you, I just, I just, I just have to tell you. And then again, a little later, I brought it again. And I brought it three times. And every time I was met with this sort of defensive, logical argument, and even in his logical arguments, I could feel that it wasn't fully coming from his deepest truth and knowing like I could feel something didn't quite taste right in it. But this was a moment where I had to make a choice of my my preference. My preference was for him to listen and and and like, I knew I was right then and his truth was, he wasn't ready to listen to that. And so I had a conversation where I said, it feels better in my body to trust you and to trust life, to let this play out than it does to keep bringing this to you. So I'm not going to bring this any more. I'm actually just going to allow this to play out the way it needs to play out. And I love you. And trusting feels the best in my body. So that's how I'm going to let this happen. And and, you know, a few months later he lost a lot of money, you know, and it it played out like it ended up that thing I was sensing in the over inflation like the energy because I just track energetics. This is what I do in I work with women. This is what I do in life. Like I am just constantly seeing things as energetic patterns, and that's just part of how I see the world. And so I was just reading the energy of crypto at that time. And so he came to me after this happened. And I mean, I was I was devastated for him. Like I was like, oh, this is you know, it because he was so devastated in this. And he was like. I need to learn to listen to your wisdom. And he's like, I've never been with someone before that saw things the way you see them. And so I have to get used to it. And I realized that there is wisdom inside of you that I need. And he's like, thank you for your grace with this. And I appreciate you letting me learn in my own way. And and that's what I said. It's like you had to learn this in your own way. I'm not even mad at you. Like it. Just I I'm so glad that you see. And that you're going to start trusting so that we can fully rise together. Because the thing I was bringing was in service of him and in devotion to his awakening. And then I got to really have this huge lesson in preferences of how that was going to play out. And I got, you know, very young. I got to be very uncomfortable in that. And then, you know, we got to lose money, which is uncomfortable, but it's just money. And the lesson and the feeling of trusting him and letting him learn on his own, and then the feeling of him realizing on his own that there's an oracle inside of me and that there's a difference when it's Jamie and her preference is speaking, and when, like the Oracle is talking. And so we have a distinction now where there's this moment where sometimes he's like, is this the Oracle? You know, and then I'm like, and I'm like, actually no it's not, you know or yes. Like this is like, I'm really bringing you something and so I just, I feel that that may illustrate for some, some of your listeners, the distinction in the difference between, being the invitation for him to rise and his greatness and our preferences and how we get to navigate both in this spiritual path of relationship. So that is such a stunning story. And I love I love the piece around you of bringing that part of you, the gift of your oracular nature, without the or being then also able to acknowledge. I also have a preference that you listen, but that's a preference. I want you to listen. I want you to, you know, act on that wisdom. And I think that's a piece so many women really need to hear, right, that this is a whole I see this is like a whole new paradigm of relating and, you know, being in relationship is, you know, there's not that we if we're to relate in this way, we really have to let go of the paradigm of like, there's a winner and a loser in someone's right and someone's wrong like that has that has to be obliterated, that has to just leave the space. Because if you're still trying to, you know, offer your wisdom in that way and then trying to be right or needing him to acknowledge you're right, all of these different things that that just get so messy. And yeah, it's it's not going to liberate the love that's really wanting to be liberated. Yeah. I love that story so much. And that was a piece. There was another piece I wanted to bring there. What did I want to bring? What did I want to bring? The preference piece. I know it's gone now. I have another couple a couple pieces from it that I could pick out. That might be one of them. Really fun. One is is the, So there's courage associated with this. Like, it like to be, a queen to a king. To be a mature woman in divine union requires a level of courage to disrupt. Like the courage to disrupt when something doesn't feel right and to disrupt from our devotion, to disrupt from our heart, to devote, to disrupt, from our devotion to divine union and to him rising and to our highest evolution together. And there's something in that that I, I want to just call forth and ignite inside of the inside of women today, because I think that inside of a lot of polarity conversations about relationship, the woman is made to be, in this kind of passive, submissive, subservient kind of position. And that is not actually the full spec from feminine, because part like one of the gifts of the feminine is our discernment. There's an incredible quality of discernment. The egg discerns which sperm she's going to choose. There's thousands of little sperm, and she chooses the one that will be the highest, the best match in in the in the the gene pool. Right. So that that quality of discernment lives inside of the feminine. And when we can have the courage to disrupt with devotion not from a nagging, demanding, criticizing kind of place, but through sharing how it feels to us, sharing something that we're tracking, asking for consent, asking if he's available to hear something that we're feeling before we launch into it. But the courage, like there's, there's a, there's a call to this that, that I feel, because I think that the, the polarity conversation of what a woman is supposed to be has gotten a little off the rails. And, and a lot of women have lost this, like, oracular nature, this connection to that, and how to bring it in a way that is from their feminine artistry. Instead of from their wounding. I'm so glad you brought that piece, because I think there's so many teachings around polarity these days that can be very dogmatic. And I see people, I see people that come into my work that have been in other work. I see people just in the industry that, like men that are taking those teachings and becoming dictators in their relationship and women are taking those teachings. And just it's another way of like staying in a cage of, I've got to be there. I've got to myself, I've got to collapse. I've, I've got to be this version of myself in order to, you know, whatever. Fill in the blank. I love I saw really did the recently around devotion is savage. Yeah. And I would love you to speak into that because it is it's like for me, I really see the the feminine is not just sweet, soft and surrendered. She's all of it. She's it's really for me. The feminine is. Can I reveal and be alive in whatever is here for me? Can I, can I offer that into the relationship? Not from a place of production, not from a place of, I say, throwing grenades. Like it's like you just throwing. You know what? You're feeling it at your partner. But like opening and offering what is alive sometimes that's savage, sometimes that's, you know, rage. Sometimes that's ecstatic bliss. Yes, I love that. I love I love that, devotion is savage. So let's see how that, how that lives for me. Is that it's like when, when we are so fully when we're surrendered to our own devotion, to our own design, to our relationship to God, like we are surrendered to something. If something gets in the way of that, we are it. It it is our natural instinct to. I don't know, the word that's coming is like it feels primal, like it's our natural instinct to, like, claw that thing out of the way, like there's something in it. Or to, like, like to open wider than that thing. Like we we we have this natural instinct for that. And, in, in my, in my relationship, it, it lives like, my partner has said to me before that no one has ever believed in him the way that I have or as fully as I have, and that my belief in him, my seeing and knowing of him, causes him to be more of himself. And, and and that has been part of his awakening in, in our relationship. And part of that is when he's not in his presence, for example, if we're, you know, if we're making love and like, I don't feel him present, my body doesn't open and I don't force myself to open if I'm not open, like I'll be in my feelings and in that awareness. But if there's something in me that's closing in his presence, like I'm going to bring that and reflect that in a loving way, that is purely taking responsibility simply for how I'm feeling in that moment. But that is truly that's savage. It's savage devotion to him being in his form, in in his wholeness, in his power, in his presence, in his leadership. And I think that one of the ways that we can be, I mean, it's like it just is our truth, our designed in relationship is to be an accurate reflection, like the feminine, like we are reflecting his presence and his leadership when we are one in touch with our feelings and to have the courage, the savagery to actually allow our feelings to be present in real time with what they are like. We don't feel like we need to hide the experience of, disappointment or sadness or grief or even rage from him. Like we don't feel like we have to hide that stuff in order to be this, like, perfect presentation. Like if we're trying to be a perfect presentation all the time. He is not getting accurate information. He's not getting an accurate reflection of how how to properly lead, like we're actually we are actually participating in him getting off course. Oh yes yes yes yes yes yes I feel I love that you just spoke about like offering him great information. I speak about that all the time in my work. And I think sometimes women might in my work. And I would be interested to hear you too. A lot of the time it's women finding polarity work. It's women. Kind of like seeing the vision for their relationship. You know, like I call women like the torchbearers. Often we're like, look, I'm holding the torch. This is where I can see, you know, that our relationship is is pulling us towards and that really being a stand for that. But what I noticed too, when I, this was present in my relationship where I just come to my partner and say, I want you to be more masculine, but then that's all I would say. It was like, I want you to be more of that. I'm not going to offer you any information with my body as we are in the moment by moment, you know, unfolding of our partnership. But I'm just going to continue to remind you you're not being masculine enough. I want you to be more masculine. And for anyone out there that does not work, that the portal is becoming like you so beautifully said. Like that, that invitation, that living invitation. That's that's the only way that he's ever going to truly, understand, like, how to be the embodiment of what we're really aching for. Yes, absolutely. And that is it is through our sensation and our feelings and our embodiment that we are an accurate reflection, like it doesn't actually live in our mind and so on that I would love to talk a little bit about sensuality and about turn on and about intimacy, and the way that one of the ways that I have found in my work that a woman like just starting like, let's say it's a woman who is living mostly from the neck up or even mostly from the heart up, or once was in touch with her body. But since she's had kids or career, or is just feeling like she's in a place where she's like, all of this sounds really great. Jamie and Meg, thank you. And like, where do I actually even start? Like, I don't have a relationship or I'm in a relationship, but it's feeling a little stale and it's like, where to start? And this is the most potent and challenging for some women. Starting place that I have found is in our sensuality and erotic energy. And the reason is because when a woman can turn on the life like our our life force that lives in our womb, that is like the waist down life force, like that potent erotic channel that runs through our central channel, this wellspring of erotic aliveness. When that starts to turn on. Right. And the and the, the, the what was once a trickle becomes a stream, becomes a river, and there's a waterfall of energy. Eventually moving inside of her system, a woman starts to actually feel more. A lot of women don't have enough energy in their bodies to know what we're talking about. When we're constantly talking about feelings in this conversation, like there has to be the it can't be a trickle, like there has to actually be energy inside of your body. So I have found that, simple practices to really invite women more deeply into feeling the current of Eros that is running in our system all the time, supports with really dropping into that navigation system that that we're talking about dropping into our feeling system. And I have a fun story about how how I discovered this. I have another fun story. And I love that I'm sharing this. I just this came from your listening. So, this is a I don't always share about about my, my days in, as an as an exotic entertainer in Las Vegas. But sometimes I do, and it's, it's a really powerful example because this is the place that I learned about erotic energy myself. Like when I started as a dancer, I was coming from a conservative upbringing, small town, you know, Christian repressed, like the idea of pleasure or bliss or any of that was not anything that I grew up with an imprint of. So I was starting from not having that. And so of course, I was like, you know, it's like a like, you know, dangling a lollipop, a lollipop in front of a child that's never had sugar. I was like, oh my God, I could go learn this in, in, in Las Vegas. And I was like, okay, I'm going to, you know, like I'm going to see what this is all about. Like, I felt the power of it. I felt the the potential and the eros, and I wanted to liberate that in myself. So I started working part time, traveling back and forth from California to Las Vegas. And I remember looking like looking one night at the club and looking around and seeing all of the women dancing. And I was like, why is no one talking to the couples in the club? Like all of the women would go talk to the single men and it's the majority single men that that come in as, as customers. But I was like, no one's talking to the couples. And I was like, I'm going to go sit down and have a conversation with that. You know, these women that are brave enough to come into the club with their partner and so I would go and I would sit down and have a conversation, and I discovered that many of them were in some level of disconnection from their own erotic energy, or they were in judgment of what was happening. They were uncomfortable, like a like my favorite was when a woman was, like, visibly uncomfortable to be there. And I would go and just sit down and have a drink with her and just like, truly bring my energy and watch her eventually realize that I wasn't a threat and that we were on the same team. And, and and then through that, something, I discovered something really interesting. So I would go and, you know, we would go to the back in the, in the private, you know, champagne rooms and where there was like a little more like containment in, in the energy. And I was so excited and enamored with the way that my energy turned on through working at the club. Like, I had no idea that I had so much erotic energy in my body. And through seeing the other women there, I, I just it's like I connected to an ancient template of this, like, fully turned on woman. And it was through the transmission of other women there. And I also believe it's in it's encoded in our, in our DNA and in the field, whether we've connected with it in this lifetime or not, that women know what it's like to be fully turned on and lit up like we just we have access to that. So I was so excited about that access that I was like, well, what if I can bring that access into that relationship? And so we go to the, you know, the VIP room in the back. And, and I would through my, my movement, through my embodiment, through my invitation would invite her into her own erotic energy and invite her into her sensuality. And you would see this visible and visceral shift when a woman's system turns on. And it is the sweetest thing it is. It is truly it. Nothing makes me more joy, feel more joy than watching a woman's system turn on her system. What's her on? And you could tell because her husband partner would shift out of a kind of days of, like, boredom or or his attention being on me. Two or his attention on her. And it was like it was like, he didn't even know what he was responding to before he even knew what he was responding to. He was responding. And it's because her system turned on and he couldn't feel it. And men can feel that it's like built in for them to be able to feel. When a woman is in her sensuality and her aliveness. And so this, this quality of, irresistible. Like, I love that word, you know, the quality, this quality of irresistible ity that she embodied off of her own energy is not something that she put on. It's rather something that she felt inside. And then when she felt herself, he could feel her. And it was like this whole energetic dynamic changed. And there was people that were like, you saved our marriage. And it was this whole, this whole, this whole incredible thing. And so that became my, my focus when I was working with was working with couples in this way. And eventually I was I was like, well, I'm actually just going to do this outside of the club. And that's when I started working with women. And but I combined this very, you know, on the, on the field, on the court kind of practice of watching this happen with women watching how erotic embodiment can be transmitted, can be felt and received and then embodied with all the other, you know, training and somatics and, and embodiment to really realize that this is something that can be taught not as an affectation or behavioral change, but as an actual shift from the inside of how we feel. I adore that so much. I love that you spoke about, like, this ancient template within you and awakening that that is definitely what it's felt like for me as I've, you know, connected and awakened my own erotic energy I always used. I never used to be someone that felt I was sexy or could dance and like, I would look at other women like that and be like, that's just not me. I don't have that. And that was so powerful on my own journey to realize, like, oh, this isn't something that if I want to do that, yeah, I've got to like learn how to dance. So like learn it's no, it's this, oh, it's within me. And you know, I get to what's another woman can illuminate that for me. Like a reflection can like remind me that that's within me. But really it's this, this awakening. So I just love that you brought that. And I think this is why being around other women and being open to being in the receivership of that transmission, like maybe this isn't, you know, dance Spaces, a women's group. So but like, if, if a woman desires to awaken her own erotic energy, like go in spaces where that pulses through, like very palpably through another woman and like yourself, feel that? Yes. Oh my God. And that's it. It's like feel when you feel it. Like there's a difference between, you know, a woman who's doing sexy as, as a performance, performative feminine sensuality or sexiness, and a woman who is truly feeling herself in her own divine embodiment. And you can feel it inside of yourself when it's on, like, it's like there's, there's a, there's there's a feeling that that you have and just know that other people can feel that too, in you. Like you can trust it. You don't have to perform it. You can actually trust that when you're feeling it or feeling you. And, yeah. So that's one of my that's one of my favorite things to share and bring into this world. Yes, I love that so much. And I love I think there's, I think that that when a woman activates that part of herself, obviously that shifts the way she makes love and like, you know, in the bedroom, but it does not stay there at all. And I think sometimes when people think about sexuality and sensuality work, they're just thinking better orgasms. But oh my gosh, that's just like the beginning. That's just a fun little fun being magnetic in the world. Like in your life. How about being a magnet for more things that will bring you bliss and pleasure and aliveness? Because that's the frequency that you're putting out like this is where we become the magnet for more aliveness and abundance and yes, relationships. Yes, sex, yes, money. But it's also just this felt experience of living life as magic. Like it's like there's a, there's a, there's this subtle bliss that is always available in every moment that has nothing to do with, genital stimulation. Right? So we can't reduce it to that. It's actually of, like, walking around in the, you know, what I believe is the, the, our highest form of feminine artistry. Yes. Yes, yes. I also add I gave birth four and a half months ago to my son and connecting with my erotic energy and having done work on my sexuality, everything, everything to do with how I best write, I now I'm so much more committed to my work and devoted to my work because I truly believe how we birth matters and how we birth babies into this. What matters and like, yeah, if we're not, what if we haven't descended into the place that we're going to give birth from, right? How are we going to trust that and sexuality and sensuality work is just everything. And trusting that space, rooting in that space, being able to inhabit that space. And then obviously, you know, then comes being able to trust that in birth and and in all aspects of our life. Yes. I love that you're speaking of, pleasure informed birthing. I've had a couple of my clients that have that have said that as well. Where did this work rippled out in into that? So I love that you had that experience. It came I love I have adore this conversation again, just like you. You were just you were such a felt experience, like you just your energy is so palpable and just. I love the way you transmit this work in the world. What have you got going on? What would you like to invite, our listeners into yet? Where can they find you? Where can they play with you? Yes. So if you are desiring to awaken more of your feminine pleasure body and work with this cultivation of becoming the irresistible invitation. To your beloved or to a man you haven't met yet, or turn your relationship from stale into a more juicy, deep practice and embodiment of erotic bliss. Or you want to attract a man into your life. Like you're really working with this energy that we've been talking about here today. I call it the honey pot embodiment. And it's it's that organic, feminine pleasure that feels like you are in your own essence. And, and that is so deeply felt and emanates from you. So I have an, online live event called Honey Pots, and it's on March 12th. There is replays if you get this after that. But you can come live and I invite you to come live because it's super powerful field of transmission of this energy that we are working with here today. And and so I invite you to come to that, that is free. And then I also have a six week journey coming up called Feminine Essence, which is a journey to fully liberate your sensual aliveness and really turn on your feminine attractor field so that you can both receive the man of your dreams and also have discernment of what you are magnetizing as well as working with the the playground of your relationship to be really about spiritual evolution, deep intimacy and erotic bliss. So inside of that, I really work with the aspects that we you get a taste of in Honey Pot. So if you are curious about feminine essence, come check out Honey Pot. And if you know you just want to go deep for six weeks, I invite you to join me in feminine essence. And also you can follow me on Instagram. I post all kinds of, fun, juicy, enlivening and and truth. My partner calls it I'm the Truth laser. He's like, you're like lasering people with truth. Anyway, I, I post lots of fun content on Instagram. Also beautiful. And I'll put all those links below, but also just, speak out. What's what's your ad on Instagram? Oh, yes. At under underscore awakened underscore woman. Perfect. Amazing. Thank you so much for being here. Is there any final do you want to leave? The women listening with, like, any final piece or a little, just like truth bomb, anything? Something I, I always want to share. Is that everything? Like the template already lives inside. Like the template is already available. There's a part of you that has access already to the the things that you want to become. And it's it's really a matter of listening to what is already inside, listening to the field, listening to the goddess, listening to God and allowing yourself to embody what is already here in full acceptance. That is always the doorway when beautiful. So thank you so much for this conversation. I'm obsessed with what just went down. It was so beautiful. Thank you for joining me. Yo yo yo, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of sex, love and everything in between. Now, if you'd like to stay connected with Megan AI, you can head on over to Instagram and follow me at the Jacob O'Neill. And where can people Find you love on at the Dot mag dot oh amazing. And yeah guys, check out the show notes for all other information in regards to what we've got coming up. And yeah, we're super, super grateful that you guys for taking the time to listen in to this podcast. If you do have any topics or any questions, like I said, hit us up on Instagram and we'll see what we can do. 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