Sex, Love & Everything In Between

Ep 76: How to love your man when he's not feeling 'enough'

• Meg O'Neill, Jacob O'Neill • Season 2 • Episode 76

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"“The fear of not measuring up can be overwhelming, especially when it feels like everything is on the line” - Jacob

In this podcast episode, Meg and Jacob tackle the raw and vulnerable feelings of inadequacy that we all face in relationships.

 They talk about what it looks like to fully show up in a relationship, how to best support each other and how recognizing and honoring each other’s struggles without making them feel wrong is crucial.


They also riff off on:

  • Healing the "worthiness wound" in men.
  • Meg shares insights on how women can support their partners in feeling enough in relationships.
  • Jacob shares his vulnerability about not feeling good enough, leading to a deeper understanding of their issues.
  • Jacob expresses gratitude for Meg's unwavering support and healing energy 
  • Meg emphasizes the importance of loving men with their imperfections, rather than expecting them to be perfect.
  • Jacob and Meg discuss how their unworthiness stories impact their relationships, leading to a deep conversation about responsibility and accountability.
  • Meg O'Neill encourages women to love their partners unconditionally to awaken their full potential.

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Meg O'Neill:

If you are not, and I'm speaking to the women here, if you are holding your man to this expectation of always succeeding and always being this perfect version of the masculine, and always being able to provide and always, always, always, always, always right, and you're withholding love in the moments where he is, not that that well, first of all, that's can that's putting conditions on your love, yes, right? And this isn't the way to love him even more deeply into his power.

Jacob O'Neill:

Yo yo, yo yo. Lovers. Welcome, welcome. Welcome to sex, love and everything in between where the O'Neills you're here with Megan Jacob,

Meg O'Neill:

and this is the place we have really uncensored conversations about sex, intimacy and relationships. We're super excited you're here. Enjoy this episode. You Hi, beautiful human. What's

Jacob O'Neill:

up? Lovers,

Meg O'Neill:

welcome back. Welcome back.

Jacob O'Neill:

Hey, lover, hi,

Meg O'Neill:

hi.

Jacob O'Neill:

How are you?

Meg O'Neill:

I'm really good. You

Jacob O'Neill:

pregnant?

Meg O'Neill:

Yeah, I'm getting there, aren't I? The belly is really popping. I feel in the last, like, week, maybe week and a half, I've felt pregnant, yeah, where before that? I would just feel like, before with pregnant, and then I'd look down and be like, oh, there's a belly. Where now I'm like, oh yeah. Just like, breathing sometimes and moving around. It's the best making love. The other night. I was like, I was just so slow. I was like, I gotta roll. No,

Jacob O'Neill:

can't be that position for too long. Oh, no. It was quite funny. Yeah,

Meg O'Neill:

that was Yeah. We did say that last night. We need to find, like,

Jacob O'Neill:

some pregnancy Kama Sutra? Yeah, I'm

Meg O'Neill:

sure it's out there. Position inspo,

Jacob O'Neill:

yeah.

Meg O'Neill:

Because what we our current repertoire isn't very pregnancy friendly, not very

Jacob O'Neill:

pregnancy friendly at all. I'm sure there's a whole niche for pregnancy. Everyone's probably thinking

Meg O'Neill:

like, what are they what are their positions now? Yeah, imagine our non pregnancy friendly positions, yeah,

Jacob O'Neill:

before, before pregnancy or during pregnancy, and then after pregnancy, we'll have a whole three different styles, I'm sure, styles of sex. Yeah, we won't be having sex once we have a baby that instead, is off the car.

Meg O'Neill:

Did I tell you? Well, you were offline. Did I tell you about the pregnancy. Q and A, I did. You didn't. No, yes, one of the questions that I got was, is there any fears coming up around how your relationship is going to change? And, you know, I've spoken this to you before, that there's a part of me that is kind of wanting to have so much sex now, because I'm, you know, I don't know what it's going to look like when we have a baby, so I'm like, let's make the most of it, because underneath that is a part of me that thinks maybe we'll never have like sex again. And I know that's not true, but there's this part of me that is really realizing that the way we have sex is really gonna change, and that's Yeah, and I express that, and the amount of women that message me, saying, The best sex of my life happened like after children, and the sex just gets better and better and better. People saying, you know, it gets really fun and creative, and you have to have cookies in the kitchen while the kids are watching the wheels. So I look forward to cookies in the kitchen with you.

Jacob O'Neill:

Yes, hot potato. Hot potato. I better, yeah, yeah. Awesome.

Meg O'Neill:

I loved I loved that. That makes me really excited that our sex life is only gonna get Yeah, I still want to have heaps of sex before we have this movie. I think it's I, yeah, I've been really horny lately, all night, second trimester energy,

Jacob O'Neill:

yeah, you've got all that. Although I don't know what second trimester energy is, but it is a horny energy. It is Devourer, yeah, the season of devouring that's what I feel from you. Bring it on. But, um, we're not going to talk about pregnancy today. We're going to save that for another day. We're going to talk about me. This is all about me today, more so about men, but also about this idea of, I feel that we've really spoken into the I'm too much wound for women and for men, it's not that. It's not the I'm too much, it's the I'm not enough, and that, sorry you go. I was

Meg O'Neill:

just gonna say what you mean by that is like so many women in relationship have this like come into relationships and a condition to feel this fear of like, I'm too much. Like. My emotions are too much. My desires are too much. We have this fear of being too much. And you know, we a lot of the time, this shows up even in our first relationships. I often talk about the cool girl, like, I don't need anything. I don't want anything. We try and push down our desires and where the deepest yearning under that is to be in a relationship where a man accepts and embraces and celebrates and holds spaces. Hold space for all, all aspects of us, the full fucking spectrum. And yeah, we speak a lot about that on on this show and on the podcast, or the equivalent of that for a man, you know, is this feeling of, I'm I'm not enough. I'm not going to be enough in this relationship, which

Jacob O'Neill:

has us overreaching and trying to do more to seem as though we've got it all together. It's this idea of like I need to be a certain level or to receipt to be worthy of love. Yes, I need to have this, this, this, this and this. And I can never not have this, because if I don't have this, I will be replaced, or I won't be good enough for my partner, therefore she will leave me.

Meg O'Neill:

And I've actually been speaking to you know, quite a few of my clients recently have expressed, and I'm sure there's women listening to this that have had partners or ex partners express this into the relationship of I'm scared I'm not going to be enough for you. I'm scared I won't ever meet your needs. I'm scared I won't ever, you know, be enough or do enough for you, or I don't ever feel enough for you. I'm sure you've experienced this kind of language, or potentially even witnessed your man in feeling that before

Jacob O'Neill:

that. That like that, that can be such a what I've found, and what we've deepened in our relationship, like, that's it requires a different type of approach for to love a man in this, to to approach this. And this is not just um, celebrating him and being like, yeah, you've done the little things right. Or, Yes, go for it. It's a very much a it requires a level of tenderness, requires a level of, wouldn't say, discernment, as much as, like, compassion or, like some like, I just think, like tender loving kindness, like, it's like he's already judging himself and beating himself up enough to, like, to give him like to be what he needs is to is to bring, through the gentleness, the kindness, the compassion that he isn't able to necessarily give himself based on the stories and beliefs that he's got around, what it means to be a man, yes,

Meg O'Neill:

and just To give our listeners or watchers, viewers, a bit of context in where we're going we're really going to be talking about how, how do we honor this wound within our men? How do we really hold space for it, and how do we support them to heal that within the container of our relationship? You know? How do we love them really well through this wound and into deeper expansion and into deeper levels of power in themselves. Are you gonna say something then?

Jacob O'Neill:

No, I just think that, yeah, this is such an important conversation because of how much if, like, how much it affects me, like, how much like, even like last week and this whole year has been brought up another layer of worthiness, or this wound around, like, the worthiness wound of like, I'm not good enough, and I'm never going to be good enough, and I have no idea how I'm ever going to be if I ever, yeah, if I I'm just so and I think that's the other thing, is, like, it's not just the I'm not good enough, it's, no matter what I do, I'll never be good enough, and that can just it, can it can really poison a man's life and lead him to be what I what happens with me personally is I close off and I get riddled with shame, and I get riddled with this, this this fear and this guilt of Like I'm I'm a piece of shit, and if everyone actually knew just how fucked up I was and just how bad I was and just how wrong I was about everything, they would no one would ever listen to me. No one would ever love me. And it's easy for people to say, well, that's not true. It's like, yeah, thank you, but also like it feels true to me, because that's what I'm telling myself, and that's what I've been I've told myself for many years. I think it's really, it's not as simple as saying, well, that's not true, mate, you're actually a good person, or no, that's not true, my love. You're a good person. You do good work, and then you go back to whatever you were doing. It's about like being with what's beneath that, and what part of him needs, the, I guess, the attention as well, and the the the presence and the awareness. So you need someone to literally provide that loving awareness for for that to come out and really just be witnessed like That's. It's an important piece being witnessed. Yeah, yeah. Can I share a little bit about last week? Does that feel good?

Meg O'Neill:

Can I share just one thing my mind went a little blank. There

Jacob O'Neill:

may be a series of long pauses throughout this one,

Meg O'Neill:

not full year today,

Jacob O'Neill:

between worlds.

Meg O'Neill:

No, I was just thinking for the women listening to this, because this episode is both for men and women. But the what we really want to bring awareness to is that when you realize that your man is maybe carrying this wound of feeling, you know, not enough right, having that awareness can just so deeply, then shift the way we're showing Up in the relationship and Meeting them. For example, you if we're realizing, Oh, wow, sometimes they don't feel like they're no matter what they do in our relationship, no matter how hard they work, no matter how much they do for our family, no matter how much they're, you know, whatever it is, they truly don't feel like they're can be enough or doing enough. Then if we then think about maybe the way that we're bringing ourselves to our partner, and if that's from this place of pointing out, Hey, you haven't taken me on a date. Hey, you never do this. Hey, you're not like that guy on Instagram. Hey, we can really see how that is just that's just like pouring fucking salt on that wound, pouring acid on that wound, right? Totally. And so it doesn't mean as women that we have to push down our desires and become desireless or pretend we don't want anything in relationship. No, we can still want more from our man. We can still desire more dates. We can still desire, you know, a deeper level of claim, or whatever the desire might be. And it's about really moving out of this pattern of feeling like the only way to get that version of our man, or receive that version of our man, is through pointing out what he's not doing right and how he's not doing enough right now, or being enough, yes, and this is such. I'm sure we'll get deeper and deeper into what this looks like, but I just really want to bring that into the conversation. Right now, because this is the practice and beginning to really realize, ah, I have compassion, just like I think that comparison is so important. When a man realizes that many women walk around with this deep fear of being too much, right when she's feeling chaotic and all over the place. He's probably not going to say to her anymore, stop being crazy. Or like, Oh, you're just like, why are you being dramatic? Why are you being this? He's going to be like, Oh, wow. That's probably going to be like, pouring salt or acid on the wound for her. She's going to be like, I knew I was too much. I knew you could, like, that's going to inflame that wound that she has. And similarly, it's saying for us as women, just like bringing this awareness in, can totally shift the way we love on our man, and can then totally shift the way we're receiving and what we're evoking from him. Because as women, heterosexual women, we truly have I believe, the power to make or break our men, especially in these moments where that wound is activated, when a man is not feeling good enough, right? The way we're meeting him in a relationship, can either break him further, or it can fucking make him and transmute that wound and shift that wound deeply.

Jacob O'Neill:

Yeah, it's literally healing that word, like it heals that part of him that has been there for, for as long as it's been there, yeah? Well, well, said, my love. Oh, podcast, done.

Meg O'Neill:

You were gonna say, what share more around?

Jacob O'Neill:

Oh, just like, Yeah, my experience of this is like, ah, like, holding it down, and I'm feeling really powerful. And then all of a sudden, not having, having a few slower weeks in business, having all of my my my shit, come up around and and it came up not so much, because business was slow for a couple of weeks more. So it was around. I don't know how I'm going to have a like a six. Personal business and be a present, loving family man, and I don't know how to be both. So I was like, in this indecisive, I was in this, I don't know which one I can be, and that then beneath that, was like, Oh, I'm not good enough to have have have it all. I'm not good enough to have both of these things, so one of them has to start to crumble, and the one that's more important to me is the family, not the business, because the business started crumbling, and that was where I started to feel the shame, like, Oh God, I'm gonna have to gonna go back. I'm just gonna go back to work. But then Meg won't love me because I've given up, and then she'll think that less of me because I'm not living my truth and following my vision. And then I was scared to come and talk to you about it, because I'm like, Well, if I do that, you're gonna I remember when you said that I had a job that you wanted to get me out of that job. And it brought up all of these, these stories of like, you know, if I ever get a job and I in the I'm not available to her 24 fucking seven, then I'm not going to be a present man. And all of these things just kept on like rattling around my head that my whole body just went into a freeze, and I wasn't able to feel anything. Therefore no one could. You could not feel me. And that all came to a head last week when I can't remember what happened, but I was just like I was just exhausted. Was exhausted, and I can't remember what we were doing, but I came in and was in this was it was like, everything that I'm doing isn't working. I was trying. I was like, trying to do everything. I'm like, I'm trying to do the things in my business. I'm trying to do the things that I need to do and have breakthroughs and have conversations and make the money and make the sales and be in my vision. But nothing I was doing was landing, nothing was getting traction, and I had to come to you and just be like, listen, I feel like I got to the place, and I didn't just come to you and be like, Hey, I feel like a failure. It was like I was literally like, I could feel the part of me that had to, like, literally will myself into that conversation and be okay with whatever came out after it. But we, um, we sat down and you were like, and I just had to share that like, I was, like, scared. There's a part of me this, like, terrified that you're going to find someone better. And there's a part of me it's like, oh, you're going to have this baby, and then some 41 year old man who's got a thriving business and a brand new car and house by the water and has all of that sorted and doesn't need, doesn't have any of the drama of that, and he's just going to come in and be like, hey, I can, I can look after you. And that, that was like, that was just like, creating such and I was that was a whole story that I created, right? That's not real, but I created that, and it only perpetuated and kept the story going of, I'm not good enough, so I'm here just telling myself, you're not good enough, and here's what's going to happen, because you're not this is going to happen, and that's only going to mean that, yes, you're not good enough, and

Meg O'Neill:

which is leading to deeper disconnection between us, because, yes, you were, you were contracting, and I wasn't able to feel you,

Jacob O'Neill:

yeah, and like, I didn't want to have sex. I didn't want to, I couldn't, I couldn't engage in intimacy, because I didn't feel open, I didn't feel I didn't feel available

Meg O'Neill:

for and I was having moments of really initiating and, yeah, you know, really bringing myself to you, and then feeling this sense of rejection, yeah and again, yeah

Jacob O'Neill:

and that. And when a man doesn't feel good enough, like, I know in those moments, there is a part of me that rejects you because I can't, I can't give you what you need because I don't think I'm good enough to so, like, there is a, there is that feeling of rejection that is very real for you, but it's not because I want to reject you. It's because I don't know how to give you what you want, because I because the story that is running is like, I'm not good enough, and that, um, which then

Meg O'Neill:

is just a spiral, because, like, yeah, you know, the woman wants to be claimed, and then you're not feeling good enough to claim and then it's, well, you're not claiming me and all these, you know this back and forth. It's like this, this cycle

Jacob O'Neill:

totally and it's not a woman's responsibility. She doesn't have to do anything about this. It's a choice whether or not you want to, like, bring this into bring this, this, texture of love into your relationship and and offer it as a way of soothing and healing that part of him that is telling himself he's not he's not worthy, and

Meg O'Neill:

deepen into that like, what does that look like, even like, if you want to take us to the place of what unfolded from from last week, I

Jacob O'Neill:

can't really remember exactly How we got to the point where we were just having the conversation, but was

Meg O'Neill:

it the one in the bedroom during the day? Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember how we got to that place. I remember you being quite closed at the beginning of that conversation, and then you you bringing that vulnerability of like, I. Not feeling good enough, and things feel hard, and all these different things. And there was a moment when I did, I was, I was I was touching you, or maybe I was like, hugging you. And I can't remember the line I said, but I said something like, it could all fucking fail and I'll still be here, yeah? Was that was the similar line to that. It was, it was really, I was just sharing with you, like, I'll be here. I was like, I'll ride with you, yeah? Like, basically saying, We're in this together where I'm I'm not going anywhere, yeah, you know, you could fail, you could fuck up. You could do all of it, you know. And I'm fucking here, I'm fucking here for the ride, yes? And you just

Jacob O'Neill:

broke down, yeah? That was a lot, yeah. In what that, what story that broke was the idea that when I fail, you'll leave. When I fail, well, then you'll jump ship, and when you said all of those words like that, was like the soothing and the healing energy that you know that those words were carried with was just like, oh, fuck, all of those things I've been telling myself that's not that's not actually true, and you didn't say that they weren't true. You just told me the truth. Hey, you could you could fall flat on your face. You could royally fuck this up, and I'm still going to be here. I'm not going anywhere. I could cry and like that to a man that is like, so that wants to love and do well and like, really cares about what he does and wants to be, wants to do good in the world and make and make, make and make the world a better place. Like to know that if he doesn't do that, all in the way, you know, if he fails, it sometimes fails in that pursuit. Sometimes he's he's not going to be told that he's bad or wrong, he's going to have someone to come home to.

Meg O'Neill:

And I think you know where we've been together a decade this year, and I'm sure there's many more I intend to be with you for decades and decades longer. Of course, there's going to be challenges. No human goes through life without failing. No human goes through life without experience being being initiated by life, being challenged by life. And if you are not, and I'm speaking to the women here, if you are holding your man to this expectation of always succeeding and always being this perfect version of the masculine, and always being able to provide and always, always, always, always, always, always right? And you're not actually, and you're withholding love in the moments where he is not that right, that well, first of all, that's can that's putting conditions on your love, yes, right? And this isn't the way to love him even more deeply into his power. That's a disservice. Loving him in that way is a disservice to him, but you and your relationship and your family and the entity of your partnership,

Jacob O'Neill:

yeah, it doesn't serve you at all. Yeah, at the end of the that's not, it's not for a woman. It's not serving your deep desire to be claimed. You're, it's, it's, it does leave you in that position of control, and that doesn't serve either of you, but mostly it doesn't deserve you know, the deeper desires that that exists within your core as well. So, um, yeah, I think that there's such a space for this in in the relationship conversation too. After polarity is such a big one, which is, which is so important, it's an important piece of the puzzle. But this, I'm not enough, I'm too much, or I'm not enough from the men, and I'm too much from the women. This is a real space where we can learn to love each other home and heal those wounds. So we can actually experience polarity at an even deeper level. It's like you can have the surface level polarity, but if you want the depth of polarity, you're going to have to go through these initiations that come from being each other's safe space.

Meg O'Neill:

And that's devotion. Everything about that, yes, yes, yes, yeah. And the foundation of love must be there in order to sustain polarity or continue to play, you know, in the passion and polarity space in a long term relationship, yeah. And that really requires being like I said before, if you're in a long term relationship, you life is going to happen, yeah, to your partnership, but also to the individual that you'll you love, yeah? And how do you love them through that? How are you showing up? Are you making them in those. Moments. Or are you breaking them? Are you reminding them that you know you're there? Are you reflecting back their motherfucking power? Or are you pointing out, without trying to be malicious, but just without even a sense of consciousness? Are you pointing out all the ways they're not being enough and not doing enough? Mm, my love. If you are a woman that deeply desires to be claimed, cherished, chosen, ravished in partnership, whether you are currently in partnership or not, you are going to want to join me here on the Gold Coast in July, I'm holding an in person immersion for three entire days, three entire days devoted to breathing down the walls of your heart, opening your body, liberating your expression, and Becoming a woman able to be claimed, cherished and chosen in partnership. I have not run an in person event or a women only event in a very long time, and given the baby I'm about to have, I will not for a while after this, so this is a very special opportunity to come and work with me in person with a very intimate amount of women. We are going to go deep. It is going to be an unforgettable three days. And if you are feeling the call to join us, come and apply ASAP. There is limited spaces. You're going to want to go to the link in the show notes, or Meg dash O'Neal dot com, forward slash claimed dash immersion, or just head to my Instagram. All the information is there. Can't wait to be with you.

Jacob O'Neill:

Thank you. I'm just realizing how, like, especially this, I don't know I feel like the last 12 months like, yeah, that I haven't felt any malice from you. I haven't felt this. And if you have been feeling frustrated or angry, you have spoken into what the rejection that you've been feeling, you've never you've been so you've been such an artist. You've been so masterful in in loving me and and, and really being devoted to the relationship, the depth of our relationship, and like, there's, that's like, that's still, that's still crazy to me, that you that you that you are this there's, you know, I do feel a lot better this week, and I'm feeling really open and capable of receiving your love, but there's still a part, and it's like, wow, how lucky am I? Like, yeah, how lucky am I to be on the receiving end of your your devotion, your devotion to love, and how that then allows me to be loved, because I don't know anyone that hasn't got something that needs healing. I don't know anyone, no, I haven't met anyone yet that doesn't need some kind of tenderness, some kind of compassion, some kind of kindness, from from, from their partner, or from from life. And we get to be that for each other. And I think I for so long, I never knew that I I needed that. And I thought, oh, once I do, once I achieve all these things, then I can have it once I, you know, only am I, only can I receive that once I've been through this, this, this and this, and achieve this, this, this and this, and then given this, this, this and this. And I didn't know that I could receive without giving, and that that really, really upset the the belief of I'm not worth I'm not worthy of this.

Meg O'Neill:

Yeah, I think one of the getting emotional, one of the greatest gifts you've given me throughout our relationship is, you know, this permission slip to bring my fullness and never you know, especially in the last five or six years, as I've been on this conscious Path of like unleashing more of myself and unleashing more of my, yeah, my my fullness in our relationship, in the world, I never once felt you make me feel too much like you have been this safe place where I get to express that and be that, and play with that, right? And come into Yeah, come into myself. And that's just been so incredibly healing, so incredibly healing. And, yeah, I know that one of the biggest gifts I am continuing to offer you, and now you'll learn. To receive is, yeah, that piece around like you're like, Yeah, you're an incredible man and yeah this, I'm sure you could speak more to to what you feel in that, but like, just like pressing my love into you in those moments where you don't feel like you deserve it. It's such a beauty, like really seeing that it's like such a sacred role they get to play in your life. Is like, how the most beautiful thing, like, I love those moments, like the other day where you were just like, like, kind of you do this thing where you cry, where you just, like, shake because you don't want to fully like, like, like, me. I'm just like, yes, tears like, break me open, and you like, kind of try and hold it, and you're crying, and you kind of do this shaking thing. And I just, I just got to, like, I just had my arms wrapped around you as I as you did that the other day, and I was just reminding you, like, Hey, I'm like, fail and I'll be here, fuck up, and I'll be here. And that was just like, the most beautiful thing to witness you, and have you received that and CO create that really magnificent moment with you?

Jacob O'Neill:

What? Yeah, yeah, it was, it was you're so right, like, when the tears come for you, you're like, here they are breakthrough. Whereas for me, I'm like, No, not this, no anything but this, anything but some sign of weakness.

Meg O'Neill:

I'm sure a lot of men experience that too,

Jacob O'Neill:

but I don't know like for me, what it feels like, what I what I see you getting to experience is like the confirmation that, hey, you are my safe space. Hey, I do feel safe with you. Hey, you do get a part of me that not not anyone else gets, and it's like you are, yeah, I'm choosing to open to you because of your fierce devotion, your warrior like stance when it comes to pressing love into the parts of me that are like, No way, yeah, and I think there's you can only run for so long. I think you can only hide for so long until someone you know loves you in that way or you, yeah, something bad happens, yeah. And I know there's many men who have fucking committed suicide. There's many men that have ended up sick and twisted and bitter to the point where they cannot, cannot let go. And I haven't been at either of those doorways by any means, but I can see how men get there. I can see how men choose to commit suicide. I can see how men choose to completely shut their heart off for the rest of their life, and choose to choose vices over, over at another partner ever again. And it sucks, and I think that, once again, it's not a women's responsibility, but there is a role that women can play in the healing of men's hearts. I

Meg O'Neill:

really love the way you just spoke that, because it isn't, it's not. I don't want anyone to be listening to this conversation thinking, Oh, my job is to I'm his healer, yeah, I'm his healer, right? Because that's not the that's not the energetic of what we're getting at here. It's just that you can be a part of that co creation, like you can be a part of that co creation, and the way you are bringing yourself to Him and offering yourself to him, you know, and being in relationship with him can either deepen that wound, or it can start to close that wound. Over can start to heal that wound. And understanding like, that's the responsibility taking that role, like owning that sacred role like I really see that as a sacred role, just just as a man's relationship if he's with a woman, sorry, a man's role if he's in relationship with a woman, part of that sacred role is to create such a depth of safety for her that she can unfurl in her fullness. She can deeply unlock parts of herself that she didn't even realize were there because she didn't feel that safety before like that's magnificent. And when a man owns that role, and when a man really takes responsibility for that role in relationship to a woman, the woman he gets to receive is. Uh, the erotically alive, powerful, full spectrum woman that he gets to be in relationship with is probably blows his fucking mind. And it's the same with us as women, when we take that role, like when we really take responsibility for this sacred role we are in getting to be in relationship with our man. We have the sacred role of loving him into more of his power, shining a light on the places where he doesn't think he deserves love, and being so ruthlessly devoted to that. And I'm like, that's something I love what you shared before around like that, almost like warrior energy I have in that. And like, even last week I would there was like a ruthlessness to how much I was reminding you, like, Hey, I'm here. Hey, I'm not fucking going anywhere. And sometimes we've got to bring that ruthlessness.

Jacob O'Neill:

Yeah, that's the that's fierce love,

Meg O'Neill:

fierce love, ruthless love, yes,

Jacob O'Neill:

and it's confronting in the right way. Yeah, it's like, Holy fuck, this woman isn't actually doing the thing that I thought she'd do. I thought she'd run for the hills.

Meg O'Neill:

I thought she'd make me feel and, yeah, I

Jacob O'Neill:

thought that she'd, she'd affirm what i've what I'm feeling, and then give me more reason to almost give me, give me permission to tap out. She can say, you know, she can then give me the reason to close off and and go and take the the the option that isn't fully aligned with the depth that I'm here to experience life with, which is, yes, okay, if you do perpetuate that story, I'm not good enough, and you tell me that I do, I then go and close off even more. I become more riddled with shame and guilt, and I get become even more depressed, like literally suppressed emotion and and then our relationship, if not over weeks, months, or maybe a year, it slowly starts to fall apart. And then the relationship falls apart. And then I tell myself, see, I was right. See, I am not good enough for her. See, of course, she was going to leave. I'm so right about my unworthiness, let me keep a hold of that story. Let me keep living that, and let me find someone that can love the parts of me that I like. And then when it comes time for those unworthiness pieces to come online, we'll do the same thing again. And this is why a lot of men can at times, if you're in early you know, if you do find yourself circulating through relationships, you will end up getting to the same point in a relationship, and for whatever reason, it will dissolve. Or if you're in a long term relationship, you'll get to a point where it is no longer a relationship and it's just a cohabit you know, you're just cohabiting with another person, and you're just paying the bills, and every now and then there might be a spark, but most of the time, you're just inhabiting the same dwelling, and that sucks. And it's not that you don't love each other, it's that you've let that story of I'm not worthy get in the way of, like, the experience. And that's, you know, and that's, and there is a level of responsibility that falls on both people there,

Meg O'Neill:

completely, completely,

Jacob O'Neill:

there's quite a deep conversation, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

Meg O'Neill:

I love where this is going. Yeah, I've got my sort of, my deep I'm in the same hand position as you do. We're the same. No, not one thing, and I'm sure you're okay with me sharing this, but one thing that comes up just before, when you were talking about, like, my choice to offer you love in that moment versus to make you feel wrong shifts the way like deeply, deeply. I don't know if the word determines is correct here, but there is a it does count as a determining factor in how you then move from that moment as a man in the world correct. And sometimes I can feel even I pointed this out to you last week, that when you started to share some of those things going on for you, and we were having a really clear conversation, or an open conversation, I said to you, hey, I feel this part of you that, like, is thinking, I'm gonna, like, go mad at you like a mum, like going mad, like you like, you've been a naughty boy, and I'm gonna punish you, and I'm gonna Yeah, you said a physical response, then yeah, and I can feel the part of you that's almost like, energetically you and physically you close off. But energetically I can feel almost you're bracing for impact. You're bracing for the part of me. That's gonna that. And maybe in the past, I don't feel like I've done this in a very long time, but in the past potentially. And then, you know, maybe as a young child, you experience this too, but in the past, maybe I have, when you've brought those moments, I've made you feel wrong and I've made you feel not good enough. No doubt there have been moments like that, but my, my choice to, yeah, not, not respond in that way to you, is everything, yes, like, everything, and again, I just want to keep using, like, I think it's just going to be so helpful for men and women. Like, it's similar, if you were to bring a part of yourself to your man, and there's part of you bracing and being like, Oh my God, is he gonna think I'm too much. Oh, my God. This is, like, this is chaotic, or whatever it might be. And then he goes, he loves you in that he gives you a big hug. He asks how he can support you, whatever it might be. Oh, that gets to heal this story. That gets to literally heal that wound in that moment. And so again, I want women to hear that your choice in those moments on how to meet your man deeply affects then the man you get to receive from that moment forward. Your ability to ruthlessly love him in that moment means you get to experience a version of him. Maybe it's not a second later. Maybe it takes time of really meeting him in this way and offering him this fierce love. But after time, you're going to receive a version of him that maybe you didn't even think was possible. You're going to awaken a version of him, right where you get to when you've shined love on the parts of him he didn't think were lovable. Wow, like a man that feels more lovable, a man that realizes that there's parts of him that he was ashamed of, but now he doesn't have to be ashamed of, he doesn't hide. That's a man that's going to bring more of Himself to you, your children, his work, the world. You get to literally, like,

Jacob O'Neill:

open this man. You're like, giving him the capacity for an even deeper level of presence. Yeah, that's like, you're gifting him the thing that he is here to gift the world. You're gifting him access to the thing that he is here to gift the world. The more you love those parts of him that he has deemed unlovable, the more whole he will become, which means that in that wholeness, he can bring more of what he's here to give, which is his presence, which is his awareness, his consciousness. And that means that when he's with you, he's with you, just a little bit more. Means when he's with the children, he's with them, just a little bit more. It means when he does his work, he's working not from a he's got more. He's got more to give to his work without without it changing anything outside of himself. It's all from within.

Meg O'Neill:

Yes, one of the things that probably five or six years ago that I realized that I wanted from you is and I brought this to you. I said, I want to feel you, or I think, I said, I don't feel you. I can't, I can't feel you. And so I realized I wanted to like, feel you. I wanted to feel your heart. I wanted to feel your aliveness. I I wanted, I wanted to like, feel what was going on for you. And this is one of the ways, if that's what you crave from your man, if you feel that he, you know, provides for you in his, you know, showing up and he's doing all the things, but you're not actually, you're like, Where the fuck are you? I can't feel you. You're beside me. You're doing this, but like, I can't fucking feel you. This is one of the ways in which you can support him to be felt, to open, to bring more of himself. Because, again, you're shining. A man that is not being felt is a man that's locked down and he's feeling some sort of shame, yeah, some sort of shame for parts of himself, some sort of unworthiness. And again, you get to be a part of being the permission slip to him that, Hey, bring it. I love all of you. I'm here for all of you. All of you is welcome in this relationship, right? Do not hide any part of you, because I want it all right. I want to feel you. And so this reminder to a man I know as women, we so deeply yearn for that to be told all of us is welcome, but I'd love to hear your perspective on that, like, how has that supported you? And maybe it's not that line all of you is welcome here, but like, yeah, how do you how do you feel that that's, yeah, I'm just going to leave it at that. I'm sure you get what I'm getting at I

Jacob O'Neill:

think it's more the sim, like the confirming that the the outcome is not what I thought it was going to be that you confirming that. Like, it's you saying, how. I'm not going anywhere, like the sim, like the the core issue I'm not worthy. This symptom shame around having a slow month in business, and then feeling like I'm not good enough because I'm not making enough money. I feel like I'm going to never make money again all of a sudden, and everything I'm doing is not working. All of these symptoms, ding, ding, ding, ding, and then the outcome of those symptoms is that I'm gonna lose you because of the core wound, I'm not good enough. And

Meg O'Neill:

I just want to bring in a little bit here. I'm not saying like I still had feelings when these things have gone on for you recently. I've still had my own feelings around it. There's been some of my own anxiety or my own frustration or my own contraction, yeah, but in feeling that I haven't made you feel wrong? No, I hope it happened. And I think this is the piece where I'm not telling you as a woman that you must everything your man does. You have to say you are loved in that I accept every part of you and I accept your behavior. No, but can we be so ruthlessly devoted to seeing where we're punishing him when something isn't going right, or where, yeah, making him feel like he's fucked up or he's been a naughty little boy, right? Because we can, we can do both. We can have our feelings of like, if, for example, if it's money, you know, maybe your partner's business is slowing down, or there's he made a decision that has created some kind of financial stress, right? You can still have that sense of like, Wow, I feel a bit unsafe in this, and all these things are coming up for me, around like, how are we going to do this? And and am I going to have to miss out on this? And what decisions are we going to have to make? You can bring all of that, all of that's going on for you, and you can do it without making him feel like you fucked up, yes. And then now I'm gonna withhold love from you,

Jacob O'Neill:

right? Yes.

Meg O'Neill:

And I just think that's such an important piece that, yeah, you still your emotions. What's arising for youth from any situation in the relationship is so still welcome, and you can always do that without making your partner feel like they're fucked up or they're wrong, or they did something bad, yeah, or they're not doing enough,

Jacob O'Neill:

and and like I said, for me, it was the fact that Like you acknowledging, hey, even if you do fuck up, even if you do fail, even if you do make a silly choice, or you overreach in an area, and you think it's, you know, there's been so many ways that I've thought I'm so stupid for wanting this. Why did I, why did I want? Why did I want to, want to do this or grow that, grow in this way? Why did I think I could do that? And then it's not that, it's that, ah, it's not that I did it. It's that, oh, I might lose you, or you might leave. And it's you being able to identify that and be like, Hey, I'm not going anywhere. Like it literally, all of those other things start to, like, quieten down, and the wound of like, it doesn't matter how much money I make, it doesn't matter how big our house is, it doesn't matter what sort of car we drive, sorry, what cars in the driveway? It doesn't matter how many holidays we go on. Like, none of that actually determines why you're with me. You are with me because you love me, and that's enough. I'm like, Ah Oh, I thought I didn't realize that. And that's not to say that I can then sit there and do fucking nothing. I don't just sit on the couch and eat fucking chips. I let that love crack me open. I don't I don't use it as a kind of a way to cool I'm off the hook. And

Meg O'Neill:

I feel I was having, I've been having lots of conversations with clients and students recently about this, that there's this piece in women that feel like, oh, but if I love him through this, he might think this is okay. He might, he might become complacent and just sit on the couch and, you know, do whatever, or he might continue to take risks or make decisions that don't feel safe for me or whatever it might be. And you know that this is why some women feel like, Oh no, I need to point out all the things he's doing wrong. I need to point out where he's not being enough so he can see, so he can see where I want him to go. But again, through this conversation, we've realized you hold your man in this feeling of not being enough or not good enough, when you're devoted to pointing out everything you feel like he's not being and doing enough of and that isn't a powerful place for a man to rise. A man will not step up from that place that's gonna hold him in where he is and

Jacob O'Neill:

he will most likely. Like, what I found was like, I acknowledged. I was like, Ah, I have been really struggling. I haven't been like, I haven't got the structure in place that I need for what I need next. Like, it was through you loving me and accept. Taking me in it that those things were were accepted, like, by myself. I didn't have you didn't have to tell me what was wrong. I got to, like, okay, cool. Like, I need this, and I need this, and I need this. Like, I haven't been performing here, here and here, all right, why? Because I'm pushing and I'm forcing, and I need to actually take time for myself. Oh, but that's cat, yeah. But you know that when you take time for yourself, Jacob, you actually cultivate the power to then step back in with the fresh set of eyes, and you're able to overcome this. And okay, you need to, you need to get on the phone and talk to this person. Okay, you need to have this conversation. Okay, you need to sort this out. Okay. You might need to ask for support in this way. You might need to sort out this. You might need to get a loan. You might need to pay this off first. You might need to sell this. It's like you become so much more resourceful when you know that you're already enough. Yes, a man that knows he's enough and is loved, back to that by a woman who sees he's the true wound that he's wrestling with. Of I'm not enough, therefore I can't have what I want, or I'm not worthy of having it all. Like you literally create a resourceful man, because that's the thing. Is like, yeah, if I was to fail spectacularly and end up, you know, with with nothing, and have to, and have to pay, pay debt. And it's like, Cool, all right, we sell everything and we start again. We sell everything. We we live within our means, and we start again. Oh. And my head is like, I move out and I go and hide in a fucking cave, and you keep everything, and you never look at you ever again, and I don't ever want to see you again because of the shame. And it's like, I think a lot of men, not deep down, but on the surface, when this shame kicks in, and this I'm not enough, I think there's a part of a lot of men that kind of want to be kicked and kind of want to be kicked out and have that story affirmed so they can play the victim. You're literally, like, with this fierce love and giving so generously to that part of him that doesn't feel worthy, you're literally giving him. No, you're giving the victim nothing to stand on. And that like, If a man can't be a victim, then he has to realize that, like, he is the one that can do it, like, if there's no place for the victim to stand like, the only other option is to fucking win. The only other option is to rise like, realistically. And that's, that's fucking, that's a, that's a deep one for me. Yeah, fuck, that's, that's cool. I just realized that it's like, yeah, when you love that part of me, it now no longer gives a victim any any energy. And when he's when that, when that archetype is removed, I have to be with what's there, yeah. And when I be with what's there, I then can take full responsibility for my life,

Meg O'Neill:

yes. And that's again, when I when we say, you like you have the ability to either make or break your man or like, you know, help him rise into, you know, his king energy, or rise into his power or squash it. It's these kind of moments, right? Are you, you know, pointing out when he's feeling that way, pointing out all the things he's done wrong, or are you helping him be like you're a resourceful motherfucker. You've got this, I believe in you, and I really want to speak into this as well, that even if you know, we were taking an example or a moment where you were really in it, yeah, and you also brought, oh, I could see it, and I was, you know, coming to you, but then you also brought this to me as well. But I also want to talk about how a woman can, just like, even if a man isn't, like, under a lot of stress right now or isn't feeling that way, but how she can also just like, take into consideration that that not good enough wound. Or, like, yeah, not enough wound, yeah. And how can she begin to really support her man in that, or hold her man in that? And one of the things, one of the things for me that I really teach and I really hope I practice in our relationship, is acknowledgement. And I think this is so powerful for a man to receive. It's like acknowledging where he is enough. Yes, right? Can you acknowledge and just reflect black like I see all you're doing. Because, again, sometimes we as women can be like, we don't acknowledge, and we're like, hey, but you haven't taken me on the day, and you're not doing this, and you're not doing this, and you're not doing that, and you not being like this again. It doesn't mean we have to push those desires down, but can we actually really acknowledge and get into this practice of being a woman that acknowledges her man like every fucking day, like and reflects back to him every fucking day? Like, I see you. I see the work you've been doing. You know, sometimes you'll just be like, going into your office and be like, Hey, I see you working really fucking hard, and I'm I feel really supported by you, or hey, I'm just like, You're such a fucking visionary, and I'm so proud of all that you're creating. And just like these pieces of acknowledgement, where you can offer the offer them, your man, this moment of like, Hey, I see you and you, what you what you're doing, is acknowledged, and it is enough.

Jacob O'Neill:

Thank you. It's like, it's a form of, like, what I'm hearing in that and like, what I received from you is like, I'm grateful, grateful for what you do, and I know that you're doing it for not just yourself. You're doing it for us. Yeah, and when you say those things, it's so and that is like the other side of the when the worthiness, when the wound is really flared up, you, you don't list off all the things of like, why they're worthy. You're like, No, listen, you're wrong. It's like, hey, like, I'm not gonna leave like you, you address what's there. But then when that, when the worthiness wound isn't sort of flared up, and there's ways to kind of cultivate and support him in maintaining the story that he is enough, which is the true story you do. You offer your gratitude, you reflect back the things that you see in him that he may not realize you're seeing, and that has him feeling deeply understood, and that has him being like, Ah, she understands. The deeper, why? Yeah, and the deeper. For what? What, you know, it's, why am I doing this? But for what? Am I doing it? I'm doing it. I'm doing it for you, for me, for our family, for for the greater vision. I'm doing this for the for the world. I want the world to be a better place. I can feel that. And I think a lot of men can, at times, feel guilty for wanting to lead and serve in a greater way. And I know I can. And when you get behind me and, like, breathe, you know, literally, like, like, breathe life into me with with gratitude. It's like, oh, you've got my back. And I think there's the bit of stigma around a woman supporting her man, because it seems as though she's like, the the one behind him, or she's the one that's not not as prominent in the relationship, or she has to play small for him to be grand, but that's not the truth. It's not it's not the way, like the way that I see it is that you are able to, like play that role in my life. But that's not the only role you play. You also stand there and I support you, and we support each other by being playing those roles appropriately.

Meg O'Neill:

And I really, if there's anything, if there's one thing, you know, you take from this episode, I wanted to be that as a woman, that are you acknowledging and honoring the sacred role you play in your man's life, of supporting him, of, you know, helping him step up into deeper and deeper layer, layers of his power of reminding him what a bad motherfucker he is. Like, are you owning that role, and then how are you doing at that role right now? Yeah, because a lot of the time we're not even realizing that's a role we get to play. For years, I wasn't conscious of that role, and now it's something that I'm like, I'm I'm devoted to. It's a devotional practice for me. Just like being a businesswoman is a devotional practice. I show up and i i Be a businesswoman, I create, I do these things. It's like, how am I going it? At, you know, being, being this, playing this sacred role in my in my marriage and my relationship,

Jacob O'Neill:

I reckon you're doing pretty well. Thank you. You're doing amazing. And it's a journey, right? I think that, yeah, to temper all of this and sort of wrap this up, it's like it's a journey. It's not about getting it right all the time, but it's about working on it. It's about developing this skill, or developing the comfortability in this role that we're playing for each other, especially like speaking to the men, like you've got to develop the the awareness of like, of this, not enough wound just like women have, like, Yeah, I know that I feel like I'm too much, and I want to work out how to not feel this or not Feel this, but more so move through this. And same with men. It's like, Ah, this means I have to be held by my Oh, the feminine can't hold the masculine. We live on a thing called Mother Earth dickheads. Like you are going to be held by her. Like, where do you think you come from? You come from a womb. Shut the up. Like we have to, and I'm saying this to myself, but like, yeah, we have to, we have to reconcile that we come from the feminine, and we are here to honor the feminine, and part of that is letting her hold us as we remember our wholeness. And you have a responsibility, a sacred responsibility, to lean into that men and on the. But other side, women like you have such a beautiful, beautiful opportunity to create some of the most powerful, open hearted, willing, compassionate, tender, kind, loving husbands, fathers, brothers, sons that this world has ever seen. Should you choose to take on that responsibility and lean in with that fierce warrior, like, love

Meg O'Neill:

that last piece you just shared around, like, yeah, that this just isn't about I'm loving him in this moment. Or like, I'm or not even like, sometimes we can focus this conversation. I want to love him so he's better for me. Yeah. Like, yeah. That's part of it. Like, if you learn to love your man in this way, you will get to experience a version of him that maybe you didn't even know was possible, a version of him that you were aching for. And this is so beyond that. It's like, What kind of father is this is a well loved man? What kind of partner is a well loved man? What kind of member of our community is a well loved man. What kind of leader is a well loved man? Like, you know, what? What, what lineage is a well loved man? What creating? What legacy is he leaving on the planet? Like, you know? That's, that's, again, this is like Union and co creation, and when we get to be a part of that, what a what a gift, what a gift, what a gift, what a gift.

Jacob O'Neill:

Totally. It starts with us, but it's so much bigger than us. I think that's such a beautiful way to look at it, like it starts with us. It starts with how we choose to step into these moments, and then when we do, we realize that this is in service to something so much greater than what's just here, yes, but it has to start here. It has to start here in the present moment with what's actually alive, and that's what a relationship requires. My friends, yes,

Meg O'Neill:

okay, anything else you want to add?

Jacob O'Neill:

I'm just really grateful for this conversation, and I think there's like, such a I also just want to honor anyone that's going through it, like whether it's a woman that's learning these, this, this, this role, and deepening into it, or if it's a man that's really struggling with his worthiness wound, and I just want to acknowledge it, like these things do require time and process, but if you are willing to be with it, you will move through it, and you can retract and go back into whatever is safe for you. But there will come a time where you have to face off with it and like, I just want you to know that it's it's it's safe to do that. It's safe to fuck up. It's safe to to to make silly mistakes, whether that's in business, whether that's in relationship, whether that's in your own personal practice, it's safe to it's safe to make mistakes, and it's safe to be loved when you have made those mistakes, and it is safe for you to then do something about those mistakes from a place of wholeness, not from a place of I need to never do that again. More so from a place of ah, even if that happens, I'm still loved. Well, of course, I'm going to go back and learn how to do it better. Of course, I'm going to engage from a deeper place of awareness. Now I'm going to go out and continue to to offer more and give more and and really learn how to receive more. So I don't have to wait for these initiations to come to me. I can continue Leaning, leaning into them. So, yeah, I just really want to love up on the people that are in it, because I know it can feel like there's no way out, and even if it feels like nothing's working, it's, it really is the that's the flavor of initiation. It's here to really, really deconstruct your identity and deconstruct who you thought you were, really to reveal what's beneath that, which is an even deeper, truer, more resourceful and powerful version of yourself. So keep on going. I see you and I yeah, I really appreciate the work that everyone does, especially you, my love, and the women that you're creating, you know, creating, you're creating the women that you are supporting in deepening into these roles that are going to, you know, I know, serve men on such a deep level. Well,

Meg O'Neill:

I'm, I'm so excited about what I'm creating right now, and for any woman that has loved this conversation and really wants to own this sacred role of evoking the best from a man and loving a man in this fierce, ruthless warrior s way. I'm running a course, or launching a course right now called The Art of loving a man, and I truly have this feels so sacred this course, it feels like such a gift I get to offer men women. And then, you know, the ripple is into men and our planet. And, yeah, I'm really fucking excited about it. If you are listening to this before the 27th of June, you've got time to jump inside with us. Link will be in the show notes here. Are. It's four weeks where it's going to be live. So there's six calls over four weeks, there's going to be Q and A's with J, oh yeah, Jacob, and then,

Jacob O'Neill:

yeah, we've got to work that out. And

Meg O'Neill:

yeah, it's just going to be powerful, powerful. I've just launched it, and there's 20 women inside already. So this is going to be a move. Women ready to really own this sacred role. So please fucking come and join us. Yeah. Link is in the show notes, or just come and find me on Instagram.

Jacob O'Neill:

This is your work. My love. I really feel Yeah. This is like, yeah, I feel your power in it. And, um, yeah, I'm living proof. I'm living proof that, uh, yeah, loved man,

Meg O'Neill:

yeah. And I want to acknowledge I wasn't always good at this. This this is something that I wasn't just born knowing how love men really well, like, this is something that I have, I've learned this art form, and I've been devoted to this art form for, you know, the last

Unknown:

five, five years, yeah, this has been a journey. This art

Meg O'Neill:

form up sometimes. And this

Jacob O'Neill:

isn't about being like, you've played the mother role, you've played the Army's coach role. You've played all these different things, and none of them fit. None of them fit. This is a sacred role that is bestowed upon your lover. Man like this is a sacred role that you get to play as as lover. This isn't about being his mother or any of those other bullshit. This is a sacred role, and it comes from a devotion to love. So

Meg O'Neill:

well I say, I say that on in some of the marketing for this course, like goodbye, being his coach or mother. Like hello, evoking the best from him. Goodbye, coaching him, hello, evoking the best from him. Which is, you know, we as women, I often say, are like the torch bearers for the for relationships. So we can see where we want our men to go and the relationship to go. And sometimes they can't see it yet, and sometimes we think the only way to do that is to coach them there or mother them there. But there is another way, yes, and I want to teach you that other way. So come play. Let's go. Thanks, my man. This was Yeah, such a beautiful conversation. Yeah. Thank

Jacob O'Neill:

you so much. I am yeah, I'm learning so much about myself. Thank you. Thank you. And yeah, I love

Meg O'Neill:

you. Our baby was kicking heaps during that too. I cannot wait to meet

Jacob O'Neill:

that baby. So much.

Meg O'Neill:

Okay, love you. I

Jacob O'Neill:

love you guys. We'll see you soon. Peace, yo, yo, yo. Thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of sex, love and everything in between. Now, if you'd like to stay connected with Meg and I, you can head on over to Instagram and follow me at the Jacob O'Neal. And where can people find you lover, at

Meg O'Neill:

the dot. Meg, dot. O amazing.

Jacob O'Neill:

And, yeah, guys, check out the show notes for all other information in regards to what we've got coming up. And yeah, we're super, super grateful that you guys for taking the time to listen in to this podcast. If you do have any topics or any questions like I said, hit us up on Instagram, and we'll see what we can do. Apart from that, have a beautiful, beautiful rest of your day.

Meg O'Neill:

Thanks for being here. Big, big. Love you.

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